Comparing their rockets to "the punchline of a joke" is definitely bad mouthing, just factual badmouthing.

Despite that, I don't blame him. Being factual is what's important.

And of course it's ridiculous that engines like NK-33 are considered bad just because they sit in a hangar for some 40+ years :) . It's not milk, they aren't that easily spoiled. Elon just used this time reference to make the decision look good - for somebody who doesn't know better.

So factually he's right - but also misses the point. Here I should admit that Elon says more than he does - but he does quite a bit too, so kudos to his successes - Merlin-1D is a great engine.

> And of course it's ridiculous that engines like NK-33 are considered bad just because they sit in a hangar for some 40+ years

I took his comment to be more in the "that's your business model? buying and selling old Russian hardware?" vein. It's not that the hardware is bad, per se.

Although the hardware might be bad. I imagine they're looking into that...

It's not that they've been sitting in a hangar for decades so much as that we've gotten a lot better at building engines. Presumably modern designs have a lot lower catastrophic fault probability.

I think technically engines were manufactured in early '70s - like, in 1974? Definitely weren't stored in Siberia - Russia has quite sizable European part, no need to go to Siberia if you want to hide about 70 engines from nemesis Glushko's eye...

They were stored in Samara, Russia. Maps say that is in Siberia.

> They were stored in Samara, Russia. Maps say that is in Siberia.

Samara is not in Siberia. It is in the Volga Federal District, which is west of the Urals and therefore in European Russia.

In fact, Samara is 1000 miles away from Siberia. Even for Russia, that's still quite a distance.

Samara is in european part of Russia. Siberia starts from Novosibirsk, it's about 2k miles to East from Samara.

> Siberia starts from Novosibirsk, it's about 2k miles to East from Samara.

Omsk is in Siberia and it's only 1000 miles away from Samara.

Anyway, Los Angeles is not in Oregon, Moscow is not in Germany, and Samara is not in Siberia.