Re:Bill Joy: Why the future doesn't need us (2000)
by diminish on Monday October 27, 2014 @04:23AM
(#8514419)
If I were one of the machines I would replay the Armageddon foreseen by the big religions. I would create a simulated judgment day and put the good humans in heaven and evil ones in hell. In heaven put an abundant supply of everything satisfying all needs for the domestic pets and in hell put all scientists, philosophers.
Re:Bill Joy: Why the future doesn't need us (2000)
by new299 on Monday October 27, 2014 @04:30AM
(#8514432)
It might be equally interesting to discover why these various futures are impossible (if they are).
Has anyone shown, for example, that in an Artificial life system (or cellular automata perhaps). That a single form can always be introduced that will dominate the system?
If this isn't always the case, what conditions are required for there to be a form that can dominate the system?
Re:Bill Joy: Why the future doesn't need us (2000)
by vince_refiti on Monday October 27, 2014 @04:26AM
(#8514426)
"I was also reminded of the Borg ofStar Trek, a hive of partly biological, partly robotic creatures with a strong destructive streak."
The Borg did not destroy. They did not delete and discard. They assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness gets added to theirs. A Borg-like race will save humanity, if it ever comes to that.
Re:Bill Joy: Why the future doesn't need us (2000)
by tempestn on Monday October 27, 2014 @05:38AM
(#8514574)
True; present-day humans will, sooner or later, be supplanted. But by what? Does it make a difference if the new dominant species are more advanced humans, artificial intelligences, or something in-between? What about the "grey goo" scenario? Personally I have preferences for some of these possibilities over others.
Re:Bill Joy: Why the future doesn't need us (2000)
by david927 on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:31AM
(#8513841)
Please put the year (2000) in the title, along with the author's name, Bill Joy; to prompt the few that haven't read this to reconsider, and to prompt those who have read it all those years ago, to read it again.
Re:Bill Joy: Why the future doesn't need us (2000)
by david927 on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:49AM
(#8514065)
I think we all admire Bill Joy and share his concerns, but his conclusions, for me, feel inadequate. If technology is a dispersed power, how can we possibly hope to herd its usage?
Re:Bill Joy: Why the future doesn't need us (2000)
by coldtea on Monday October 27, 2014 @03:05AM
(#8514252)
You know, by creating a civilized society, where decisions are taken by consensus rather than power and greed, and that controls the technologies it creates instead of letting them control us.
Has anyone shown, for example, that in an Artificial life system (or cellular automata perhaps). That a single form can always be introduced that will dominate the system?
If this isn't always the case, what conditions are required for there to be a form that can dominate the system?
The Borg did not destroy. They did not delete and discard. They assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness gets added to theirs. A Borg-like race will save humanity, if it ever comes to that.
Hunter-gatherers: "The future doesn't need us"
Bill Joy: "The future doesn't need us"
Nothing new here and they all were right.
I really enjoyed this article and agree with the overarching conclusions even while disagreeing on various specifics.