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Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by theobon on Sunday October 26, 2014 @11:42PM (#8513670)
Why are the majority of the comments here blaming the victim?

This is the death if a person who tried to stand against an overwhelming force. To try and stand against the cartels where the police didn't dare and instead of honouring her work or get death you mock her for not using tor.

If you seriously think that lack of cybersecurity is the problem then at least use this to highlight the lack of good easy to use security software.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by legacyfruit on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:06AM (#8513752)
In the epilogue one of his books (maybe "the drowned and the saved"?), Auschwitz survivor Primo Levi describes giving a talk to a group of schoolchildren. One boy asked him to describe the layout of the camp, and then described how he would have escaped if he had been in Auschwitz. Nothing Primo Levi could say would convince the boy that escape was impossible.

Now I'm not saying that it was impossible for this citizen journalist to hide her identity, but the comments strike me as having a similar tone. People are simply assuming that her capture and death was preventable, because it is psychologically difficult to face the alternative. Namely, that only by accepting personal risk, was this woman able to stand up to the cartels. Even if the technology to protect her identity existed, maybe a person in this woman's situation would be very unlikely to know about it.

Of constructive suggestions are great, although I'm not qualified to judge their technical merit.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by tn13 on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:51AM (#8514071)
It seems that you have reached the heart of the problem. Most of us are miles away from that sort of threat. When the word is out that people are out there looking to murder you, it is immensely stressful. You cant eat or sleep.

If I was in her place I would have fled to a different city taking a few days off from work or simply given up the activism to reduce it to a level where the mob would not have bothered that much.

Note: Those who think that she could have managed to conceal her identity, why dont you take her work forward ? Whatever she did you too could do it from safety of USA. (Rhetorical challenge of course).

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by IndianAstronaut on Monday October 27, 2014 @03:38AM (#8514314)
>"Most of us are miles away from that sort of threat"

The violence here is strikingly close to us. I live in Texas and the violence is really not that far away. The cartels have their tentacles all over the US.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by jpatokal on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:29AM (#8514172)
A few days, and then what? Her job is at home, and so is the mob. Most people can't just hop across a border and start a new life on a whim.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by tn13 on Monday October 27, 2014 @03:40PM (#8517696)
I once picked up fight with a local goon who then threatened to take revenge (which probably meant some thrashing). I was scared, I moved to a different city for a month and things cooled down after that.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by psykovsky on Monday October 27, 2014 @10:03AM (#8515459)
That is their problem. It isn't an impossible problem, it's just that some people don't want a solution, just a patch.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by prawn on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:58AM (#8514094)
And against such a dangerous threat, would you really trust that you couldn't be identified by writing analysis from a committed enough opponent? Not to mention the publicised bounty meaning that you could barely confide in anyone or slip up anywhere.

"There's a woman at my work who often uses that same turn of phrase. Wonder if it's her? $50k would really help me."

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by selimthegrim on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:20AM (#8513807)
Snowden made this point at HOPE X - crypto is not going to obviate having some stones.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by jacquesm on Monday October 27, 2014 @04:02AM (#8514374)
And even Snowden is regularly vilified (right here on HN for that matter) for being a coward because he 'ran away instead of facing the consequences'.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by psykovsky on Monday October 27, 2014 @10:00AM (#8515443)
Oh, he's facing the consequences... maybe not the consequences that certain groups would want him to face, but consequences nonetheless.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by afarrell on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:12AM (#8514133)
Or spine of steel.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by Icybee on Monday October 27, 2014 @04:06AM (#8514384)
Escape wasn't impossible, many people did escape from Auschwitz.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by glomph on Monday October 27, 2014 @05:52AM (#8514614)
Which book?
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by andsosayallofus on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:11AM (#8513775)
Cognitive dissonance, just-world fallacy and hammers and nails.

It's difficult to read a story a soul-crushingly horrible as this and just wallow in the hopeless unjustness of it all. Coping mechanisms kick in. To preserve the comforting world view that people are in charge of their destiny, tragedy is avoidable and the world makes some sense it becomes necessary to demonstrate that the outcome was predictable and avoidable. That the victim failed themselves.

With HNs user base that manifests as a critique of information security practices.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by wyager on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:47AM (#8513898)
>Cognitive dissonance,

Please elaborate on this.

>just-world fallacy

I don't see how anyone here is subscribing to this fallacy. No one thinks the victim's actions warranted her fate.

>hammers and nails

Crypto would clearly have been more useful in this situation. Sometimes you really do have to hammer in some nails.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by tzs on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:22AM (#8514151)
> Why are the majority of the comments here blaming the victim?

There were few if any comments here blaming the victim at the time you posted, so I must assume it is the comments discussing proper operational security for one in her position that you are misidentifying as blaming the victim.

It's important that security failures like this be discussed and analyzed so that others who may find themselves in a similar situation can learn from them so as to be able to fight the bad guys without getting killed.

> If you seriously think that lack of cybersecurity is the problem then at least use this to highlight the lack of good easy to use security software

Security software, or lack thereof, is probably not the most important thing in this kind of operation. Physical security is more important, namely making sure the bad guys do not get access to the computer you conduct your social media operations from or that you use for communications with your fellow activists.

Doing any of your activism from your cell phone, such as accessing your social media from it, is very risky. It means that if the bad guys have some reason to detain you unrelated to your activism they might find out your secret.

In many ways, the anti-cartel activists are in a position similar to that of those who are in an underground resistance in a conquered nation, such as the French resistance in WWII. Success in that situation generally involves maintaining a dual life, with the public side being something innocuous and non-threatening to the bad guys, and the private, resistance side kept very separate.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by walterobm on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:17AM (#8513800)
This is not about cybersecurity or encryption. This is about a country that has been poisoned by the brutality of drug cartels for decades. While ISIS terrorizes Iraq and Syria. Living in fear has become the norm for Mexico. But cartels cannot be bombed by drones and Mexico cannot be occupied by foreign forces. There are only two choices for those living in Mexico: either flee to the U.S. or accept living in a country where drug cartels yield more power than the government.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by judk on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:35AM (#8513857)
Why can't mexico be occupied by foreign forces? Because there isn't natural resources for the liberators to pay themselves with?
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by lazaroclapp on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:03AM (#8513947)
We have quite an amount of oil. But that oil will continue to be sold to the U.S. (and others) regardless of what happens with the cartels or to the people of Mexico (Short of a revolution, I suppose). In fact, in recent years, reforms have been passed to make it easier for foreign companies to get involved in oil extraction in Mexico. Given that, there is very little incentive to send an occupation force in order to secure resources.

The drug cartels do not currently threaten or terrorize other countries, just the people living in Mexico, so arguments about national security (valid or not) also do not apply.

Besides, as terrible as things are right now, does anyone believe having an armed occupation force from another country would be better for the average person living in Mexico? Has that ever turned out well in recent memory? It would just be: 'hey, you know how you get shootings, executions and beheadings? Have some of them drone strikes as well!".

I am not saying international pressure cannot be used to help (there is some pressure coming from the European Union, rather the USA, and it has arguably had some impact in the actions of the Mexican government, at least when coupled with internal pressures). Sending an army, however, is probably the last kind of help Mexico needs right now...

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by victorhn on Monday October 27, 2014 @06:24AM (#8514694)
The amount of oil reserves in Mexico is not that great as it used to be, PEMEX production continues to decrease every year.

PEMEX became the classic example of am inefficient, corrupt and bureaucratic government company which has already extracted all the "easy" oil and sees that this is unsustainable on long term, many of the large remaining oil reserves is now not easy to extract which due to bad management and lack of long term thinking is economically not convenient for PEMEX to try to extract it on its own.

So the government pushed those reforms to allow foreign companies with more advanced technical know-how and more willingness to risk, to invest and at least get some money in terms of taxes and permits.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by vacri on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:35AM (#8514035)
Has that ever turned out well in recent memory?

Yes - UN peacekeepers do have a positive effect. They just don't hit the news much because they're not dramatically beating their chests about it and bragging about how big their guns are. They're not perfect, but they're certainly better than just leaving things be.

Have a poke around here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_Nations_peac...

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by lazaroclapp on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:41AM (#8514196)
I guess I was thinking about a unilateral intervention by a single country's army. UN peacekeepers are a different thing altogether, both the scope of the mission and the goals are usually very different. I don't have enough information to know how would that turn out. Keep in mind that they would be going into a very complex system that includes actors such as: the drug cartels, federal and state police, the Mexican army, federal and state political bodies, (multiple) self-defense civilian armies, (multiple) organized protest movements. The more official of those actors are - to an unknown degree - corrupted/infiltrated/colluded with the cartels. The more unstructured ones might very well consider peacekeeper intervention forcing them to disarm or stopping them from protest acts (which have included burning a state police building, an act that had surprising public support) to be further government repression.

In general I think just having independent media and investigators from outside the country can be helpful, since they can be perceived as not part of the system of internal corruption. I think it gets a lot more complicated when you have international actors as supposed to observers and/or pressure. Not saying it can't work, but it is far from simple to predict... (there are, of course, people who know great many orders of magnitude more about the issues involved than I do, both within and without Mexico, so maybe someone is looking into whether or not that sort of intervention would help).

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by stephenhuey on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:45AM (#8514210)
I just visited Rwanda and Bosnia a couple months ago, and I heard stories about the UN failing miserably in both places only a couple of decades ago. A guide in Sarajevo even said the UN would sometimes accidentally return captured Bosnian civilians to the Serbian army on the hillside. With "friends" as competent as that, Mexico would probably be better off without UN soldiers.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by jacquesm on Monday October 27, 2014 @04:14AM (#8514396)
The UN made plenty of mistakes. But that does not mean the situation with their actions is worse than what would have been without. Without such competent friends your guide in Sarajevo might not even be alive today.

Yugoslavia was an ugly war, the 'coalition' made plenty of grave mistakes but in the end it did stop a conflict that would have most likely ended much worse.

I have friends on just about all sides in that particular war and it is absolutely incredible how explosive Yugoslavia was under Tito and how vicious a conflict buried for decades flared up right after he died, it was really only a matter of time and even today I feel that it would possibly re-ignite if not for some dire threats.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by fractallyte on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:29PM (#8517206)
Apologies, but I have to nitpick.

UN actions (ie. the arms embargo) made the conflict unbalanced - giving the advantage to one side, which then proceeded to run amok. Then, the UN repeatedly failed to protect civilian populations from this aggression. The current 'stability' in many places is an artificial equilibrium, maintained by outside forces and those 'dire threats'.

The conflict should reignite - for justice, but just as importantly, for lasting stability.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by nashequilibrium on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:14AM (#8513980)
What would be the effects of legalizing all drugs in Mexico? Will this reduce the power of the cartels?
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by lazaroclapp on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:21AM (#8514150)
Just within Mexico? Without changing anything in the US? Not sure. It might not have any effect at all, or it might reduce violence because it diminishes the clashes of the cartels with the Mexican authorities. But, as far as I understand it, the vast majority of the income of the cartels comes from trafficking drugs from Mexico and south america into the U.S. market. So, as long as drugs are both illegal and widely consumed in the U.S, I wouldn't expect the influence of the cartels to diminish significantly.

That said, violence spiked significantly after the Mexican government decided to use the army to combat the drug cartels (10 or so years ago). So maybe if drugs were legal within Mexico and we completely refused to have any part on policing their traffic across the border, we might have a more peaceful situation, albeit still one in which organized crime has a huge influence in politics in most or all of the country's territory. Then again, at this point the cat might be out of the bag regarding the violence... a lot of it involves cartels fighting each other for control of different regions or routes at this point.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by vishnugupta on Monday October 27, 2014 @03:36AM (#8514309)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, very insightful!

What does it take for the Mexican government to prohibit the oil export? It does seem that Mexico is some sort of energy/resource-extraction site for the US and for that drug cartels are looked upon as collateral damage. Can it learn from Brazil which doesn't export oil as much? Or is it the case of pseudo democratic government held hostage by a handful of multinational corporations?

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by lazaroclapp on Monday October 27, 2014 @04:17AM (#8514401)
Nothing quite that dramatic. Oil in Mexico is nationalized and the only company that can actually extract oil within Mexican territory is PEMEX, which is a government owned company. Recent reforms allow private companies to perform many tasks on behalf of PEMEX, including extraction, but it still maintains a national oil monopoly under the law (simplified: your company can go to Mexico and drill for oil on behalf of PEMEX and get paid by them to do so, but the oil still belongs to PEMEX until it sells it to you).

That said, a lot of the revenue for the federal government comes from oil exports. This further means that very little of PEMEX revenue gets re-invested into PEMEX, since it mostly goes to pay for what would otherwise be a huge federal deficit every year. It is also widely believed that there are strong political pressures from the U.S. not to reduce oil exports. So, in general, it's not easy for Mexico to prohibit oil exports without creating a huge crisis and/or majorly affecting trade relations.

The above becomes even more complicated when you add things like corruption, shared/disputed territorial water reserves (the Gulf of Mexico has large areas which fall under the territorial waters of the U.S., Mexico and Cuba, but access to oil deposits in those areas is not necessarily equal...) or contraband of "stolen" oil by drug cartels. But at a large scale, the main issue is: the federal government depends on oil exports and trade with the U.S. which might be partially conditioned on oil exports.

(Disclaimer: I am going to add to my posts that all this comes from the perspective of someone who was born and lived most of his life in Mexico and follows what I believe to be reasonable news sources. I am not a subject expert on: organized crime, Mexican law, Mexican trade relations, etc... you get the idea.)

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by nailer on Monday October 27, 2014 @04:37AM (#8514444)
How would preventing oil export harm the cartels?
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by dllthomas on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:53PM (#8517003)
"a lot of it involves cartels fighting each other for control of different regions or routes at this point."

Though if the activities themselves were legal, then a cartel that did not itself engage in violence would have recourse to the state, which is probably also cheaper for the cartel than engaging in violence themselves.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by huherto on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:50AM (#8513909)
It is not the case for Mexico. Mexico has plenty of oil reserves. But, the war between cartels is a different phenomena. Not everything revolves around oil.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by nailer on Monday October 27, 2014 @04:47AM (#8514467)
Writing 'this is not about about security' does not make this not about security (amongst other topics)
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by jfoster on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:06AM (#8513753)
Victim-blaming is bad, but there is also a need for discussion of precautions that might have prevented victims from becoming victims in the first place. I think the answer lies in the tone that is used, as well as acknowledgement that sometimes precautions only become clear after the fact, and that victims who don't choose to take all precautions they could (for whatever reason) are still victims who should not be victims.

For example, this lady made what (I think is) a reasonable assumption that a pseudonym was a good enough way of protecting her identity. It wasn't a bad assumption, but because of what happened to her, we should discuss additional precautions so that people like her might fare better in future.

Another thing to consider in this discussion is that sometimes people like this lady know that they are taking a big risk, may end up murdered, but bravely proceed to take their actions anyway.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by xerophyte12932 on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:44AM (#8514052)
>you mock her for not using tor.

Ok that doesn't make sense to me. Her murderers weren't Cyber-security experts who tracked her down. They were a group of thugs who kidnapped her, along with other medical personnel. Only after they had her in their clutches did they realize who they had. She was probably going to die anyway, this way the cartel knew who they were killing.

So using tor or whatever would only have the minimal effect on her situation

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by nailer on Monday October 27, 2014 @04:34AM (#8514438)
Accusing people discussing security of 'victim blaming' is both incorrect and massively unfair. Nobody discussing security endorses murder.

Is lack of cyber security 'the' problem? No, it's one problem of many for people taking on cartels. Another is lack of resources for the Mexican government. Do I think the the Mexican government not having enough resources is the cause of the issue? Obviously not.

Nobody is saying those things are the cause of the issue, and you're probably smart enough to know that - instead, you've gone on to attack people for attention instead. Flagged.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by socceroos on Sunday October 26, 2014 @11:52PM (#8513702)
I feel so sorry for this woman!

I'm quite unfamiliar with the specifics of the whole Mexican cartel situation, but has there been any international aid or effort to help eradicate this?

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by dannypgh on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:01AM (#8513738)
The movement to legalize drugs works to eradicate making this type of organized violence so profitable.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by eksith on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:47AM (#8514057)
Sadly, they will switch to alternate means of sustenance. Many criminals already have E.G. Money laundering, kidnapping, murder for hire etc...

The time to legalize was before it was possible for drug producers to purchase an entire country and impose tyranny upon its citizens. Those already in control will now do anything possible to maintain their profit streams.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by dllthomas on Tuesday October 28, 2014 @05:53PM (#8523824)
Likely, but that doesn't mean it's not a step in the right direction. If those "alternate means of sustenance" were lower risk or more profitable, they would be doing it now. Cutting off access to this profit stream will at least slow the rate at which they accumulate power. That doesn't make anything easy, but it stops making it more difficult.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by wyager on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:04AM (#8513746)
>Why are the majority of the comments here blaming the victim?

I am tired of this sentiment. It is not necessarily incorrect to ascribe partial blame to someone just because they got the short end of the stick in some situation.

Being a victim does not automatically preclude one from being at fault. For example, if I jump off a cliff without a parachute, it is clearly reasonable to blame me despite the fact that I am definitively a victim of the situation.

In this case, it would be reasonable to ascribe some level of blame to both parties; we ascribe blame to the cartel for murdering people (and clearly most of the blame falls on them), and we also ascribe some measure of blame to the victim for failing to take proper precautions. This is not an affront to the victim's character or a trivialization of their death; it is a recognition of the fact that, with some more preparation, the situation could have turned out much better for the victim. It is important to address these failures so that we might learn from them in the future.

Edit: Downvoters, please comment. I am curious what you think about this. In particular, I am curious why it is never appropriate to ascribe blame to a victim of any sort.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by judk on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:37AM (#8513859)
And much of the blame lies with you and I for not shouldering some of the risk and uniting with her to be a stronger large force against the murderers.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by wyager on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:44AM (#8513888)
> much of the blame lies with you and I for not shouldering some of the risk and uniting with her

How do you figure?

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by AnthonyMouse on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:03AM (#8513944)
> And much of the blame lies with you and I for not shouldering some of the risk and uniting with her to be a stronger large force against the murderers.

Someone who can prevent their own misfortune by taking known steps yet doesn't take them is exhibiting behavior deserving of criticism. Finding someone else to blame doesn't change that, so what point are you trying to make by finding even more people to blame?

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by mjfl on Monday October 27, 2014 @01:46AM (#8514055)
>Someone who can prevent their own misfortune by taking known steps yet doesn't take them is exhibiting behavior deserving of criticism.

It is infuriating to me that you would suggest that it is this woman's fault for being murdered. So she's supposed to have a working knowledge of crypto despite being a working woman (in a non-computer related field) in a 2nd world country OR just shut up about rampant murder and kidnapping in her country?

I have no idea what to say to you, or how to express my horror that mind-blind opinions like these are stated on the regular on this news site.

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by AnthonyMouse on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:16AM (#8514140)
Do you understand the consequences of your argument?

Every time something like this happens, someone posts a comment to the effect of "should have used Tor" and then someone else posts a comment criticizing that comment as victim blaming.

Now suppose we listen to the latter group and everyone stops making the first comment. The idea that victims can protect themselves, and the mentioning of specific methods by which they can do so, disappears from the discourse. Anyone reading this article because they're in a similar situation to the subject never discovers that information. In what kind of world is that a good thing?

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by wyager on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:06PM (#8516321)
>It is infuriating to me that you would suggest that it is this woman's fault for being murdered.

You are putting words in his mouth. He simply said that there are things she could have feasibly done differently that would have prevented her death. He is not saying it's "her fault".

Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by phazmatis on Monday October 27, 2014 @12:43PM (#8516560)
I'm glad the tone police are here to make irrelevant arguments about valid points.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by hueving on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:43AM (#8514202)
There is no such thing as a 2nd world country.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by AnthonyMouse on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:47AM (#8514219)
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by hueving on Tuesday October 28, 2014 @03:47PM (#8523146)
I should have specified, "Second World" has nothing to do with economic power and Mexico is definitely not a "Second World" country.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by prawn on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:03AM (#8514114)
How very generous of you to apportion "most of the blame" to the murderers in this situation.
Re:She Tweeted Against the Mexican Cartels. They Tweeted Her... by Dylan16807 on Monday October 27, 2014 @02:42AM (#8514199)
Does this comment serve any purpose? You can mock any damn statement in the world with "how very generous of you".