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Re:Stripe – Apple Pay by kingnight on Monday October 20, 2014 @04:07PM (#8484204)
'"Cards" in the java-card-OS are cryptographically "personalized" by the payment network (VISA, AMEX, MasterCard) with per-device keys and the device personal account number (DPAN)--the tokenized device only credit card.'

Is this 'tokenized device only credit card' the same concept as the Point-of-Sale seeing a unique CC # (generated) for the transaction? (What I believe is one of the selling points for Apple Pay). Are there other products that do this?

Re:Stripe – Apple Pay by matthewarkin on Monday October 20, 2014 @07:18PM (#8485072)
According to the email I got from American Express, the POS will see the DPAN. So every POS transaction would see the same unique card number.