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Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by tptacek on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @02:56PM (#8363391)
It's better if you don't build crypto directly into your application at all, because you can still screw things up even if you build on Nacl. But with that said: Sodium/Nacl is better than virtually any of your other options for working directly with cryptography.
Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by nly on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @06:22PM (#8364512)
> It's better if you don't build crypto directly into your application at all, because you can still screw things up even if you build on Nacl.

Nacl was built to provide an API that is incredibly hard to screw up. That was one of djbs primary motivations. If you just need asymmetric encryption, or signing, or hashing, then it's the bees knees. These broad concepts aren't difficult to comprehend, and every developer should strive to understand and be able to use them. We shouldn't be encouraging people to be afraid... especially when things like dumb, plaintext username and password authentication is routinely implemented by developers without a second thought already.

Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by tptacek on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @07:51PM (#8364807)
Nacl makes it hard to screw up the constructions. It doesn't make it hard to make invalid assumptions about what a signed encrypted blob actually means.
Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by illumen on Thursday September 25, 2014 @06:53AM (#8366507)
+ makes it easy to add two numbers. It doesn't make it hard to make invalid assumptions about what adding two numbers together actually means.
Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by tptacek on Thursday September 25, 2014 @09:20AM (#8366924)
Nacl is a good thing. But crypto is just a tool. It's not a magic wand. People have already built vulnerable systems by making bogus assumptions about what Nacl can do.
Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by sarciszewski on Sunday September 28, 2014 @01:00AM (#8378974)
That's a shame :(
Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by sitkack on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @09:53PM (#8365147)
Can you recommend how to wrap crypto _around_ our applications if we aren't building it in?
Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by sarciszewski on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @03:49PM (#8363695)
"It's better if you don't build crypto directly into your application at all"

Plaintext all of the things! :P

Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by ary on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @03:57PM (#8363742)
I'm curious to know what you'd recommend for people who are looking to build applications around novel network protocols that aren't interested in the the certificate authority aspect of TLS?
Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by tptacek on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @05:40PM (#8364302)
There's no reason you have to use CAs to authenticate TLS. Plenty of enterprise tools keep whitelists of certificate hashes instead.
Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by bjornsing on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @04:26PM (#8363925)
There's an RFC on TLS with raw public keys that you should probably check out: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tls-oob-pubkey-02.
Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by jewel on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @07:03PM (#8364656)
There are several TLS modes that don't use certificates. SRP and PSK are the two that I have some limited experience with. Both require sharing a password or key beforehand through some other medium.

If you're not concerned with man-in-the-middle attacks, then you could also use the ANON modes.

Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by revelation on Thursday September 25, 2014 @08:33AM (#8366782)
If you control the client software, theres no reason to use a certificate authority instead of making your own CA or just using self-signed certificates.
Re:Libsodium 1.0.0 released by higherpurpose on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @07:34PM (#8364741)