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Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by jacques_chester on Friday September 19, 2014 @07:37AM (#8339940)
I use Concur as part of my job.

It is stunningly, stupefyingly awful.

However, it is popular with the kind of hyperglobocom companies that SAP deals with.

I can submit expense reports (which take about as long as it would to scratch them into clay tablets) and I can book travel. That's about it.

I imagine that -- for the anonymous finance dept folk who delight in taking weeks to examine my reports while I am legally on the hook for the credit card bill -- it is very featuresome and powerful. As an end user I hate it with the power of a thousand exploding suns.

The mobile app for capturing receipts makes it slightly, slightly more tolerable. Slightly. But half the time it doesn't work. And I still have to go into Concur and manually line up about half of the receipts anyway.

In conclusion, somebody please put these guys out of business with a post-1998 web app. You will be both billionaires and heroes.

Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by joanatello on Friday September 19, 2014 @10:04AM (#8340536)
Try out Expensify - it's a post-2000 expense web and mobile app (already way above your expectations right?)

Seriously though, Expensify is an expense reporting solution that simplifies the process for all users invoved - employees, submitters, administrators, finance departments, HR, and the companies themselves (tax reporting, etc). Our goal is to completely change the way people do expense reports (for how we work, check out: http://blog.expensify.com/2014/07/29/how-do-you-expensify-fo...).

PS - If it's not obvious yet, I currently work at Expensify and am totally drinking the kool aid. BUT, our vision for the space is completely user driven and goes beyond a simple expense reporting solution, which makes things trés exciting around here.

On @martijn_himself's point, Expensify's business model employs a bottom-up approach. We offer a free version of Expensify for individual users to try out first, and we have found that many individual users like our product enough to introduce it into their company; in fact, that's how we've been able to fill our pipeline since we launched. User feedback actually helps us figure out what features to build next.

Take a look, try us out! use.expensify.com

PPS - we're hiring engineers if you're into this sort of thing http://we.are.expensify.com/who-we-need/

Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by vosper on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:33PM (#8341492)
The company I work at used to use Expensify, and then we got acquired and now we've been switched to Concur, courtesy of our new corporate overlords.

As someone who expenses occasionally (some months I have nothing, others I've gone on a work trip and I have 30 receipts) I found Expensify a little confusing at first, but with zero training I figured out how it works.

Concur, as everyone here says, sucks. The web UI is bloated and confusing, and especially the flight booking system is awful (and stupid - it's more expensive than using Kayak, and is harder to use). The mobile app does make things a bit better, but I know everyone here would go back to Expensify if they could.

I have no affiliation with Expensify, just my 2c.

Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by martijn_himself on Friday September 19, 2014 @10:21AM (#8340601)
I do realise I am quite cynical in my comments but FWIW I do like the look of your product- it seems to be 'leaner' and more targeted towards usability.
Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by joanatello on Friday September 19, 2014 @12:08PM (#8341096)
ha, thank you! I wasn't offended by your comment, and in fact agree with you that most products in this space aren't really keeping the user in mind.

Just wanted to show you that we're not ALL user unfriendly :)

Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by martijn_himself on Friday September 19, 2014 @08:15AM (#8340092)
The problem is: these applications are not designed with the end user in mind. They are always designed to convince the CTO/ CFO/ whoever is in charge of spending the annual IT budget. The designer is rewarded to increase the complexity of the app and add meaningless features to justify spending the millions of dollars that are usually associated with these contracts.

SAP is not buying this because it is a wonderful piece of software engineering, it is buying it for the CTO/ CFO contacts it can now target to sell other SAP products to.

Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by smackfu on Friday September 19, 2014 @09:37AM (#8340414)
I kind of feel like an expense reporting system is like an iceberg: the end-user UI is just the tip that is visible.

Like here are things that you don't see as a user:

* Data feeds from various providers, each with their own formats.

* Rules-engines to route for auditing.

* Auditing UIs.

* Management reporting.

* Fraud analytics.

* Feeds to accounting systems.

* Feeds to payroll and corporate card providers.

* Support for constantly changing laws around taxation in various countries.

Those are all actually complex things that need to exist to be competitive for an enterprise system. Your fancy UI is one checkbox, but you're not getting the contract against someone who does all those other things.

Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by jacques_chester on Friday September 19, 2014 @12:14PM (#8341121)
All those things are fanciful nonsense if users either avoid entering data, delay entering data or fudge data entry because the system is heroically terrible.
Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by jfoster on Friday September 19, 2014 @07:50AM (#8340005)
I have horrible memories of needing to switch back-and-forth between the Concur mobile app and the desktop version to submit expenses. The mobile app was very convenient for uploading photos of receipts, but as you mentioned, half the time the upload just sat there. It wasn't feature-complete enough to submit the expense claims directly from mobile, so I'd go in and fix up fields on the desktop.

The people who have to use this software the most (employees) would never willingly purchase it, but they are not the decision-makers for this purchase. A competitor might be able to gain traction by targeting small-but-growing companies that wish for a nicer future for their employees.

Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by eitally on Friday September 19, 2014 @12:45PM (#8341251)
The core problem I have is that you cannot start a new expense report linked to an existing approved trip using the mobile app. You HAVE to start it from the web, which is a horrifyingly bad experience ... then you can continue it on the mobile app. If you start the report on the mobile app, it is nearly impossible to link it to the correct trip (unless you leave it in limbo and then go into the web app, start a new one, then link the existing one you created on the mobile app to it). Ugh.

But yeah, it's a cost savings system and has nothing to do with enterprise IT. Finance are the ones who demand it.

Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by jfoster on Friday September 19, 2014 @07:22PM (#8343019)
Now that you jogged my memory, I think that's the same horrible problem that I had. Start the report on desktop, switch to mobile to add receipt photos, go back to desktop to fix up all of the stuff the mobile app can't do, and repeat if any of the reports or photos got messed up somehow. You end up in this insane loop of switching back and forth between devices with a pile of receipts on your desk. Nightmarish.
Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by abakker on Friday September 19, 2014 @10:00AM (#8340510)
There are some companies doing this - Expensify, for one.

I've no doubt that there are others. I know some outsourcers of HR services, like TriNet have some modern capabilities.

Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by dangoor on Friday September 19, 2014 @08:46AM (#8340207)
I remember filling out Excel spreadsheets for expense reports and attaching a bunch of receipts and sending them in. Concur is better than that, at least.

My experience with Concur has actually been better than my previous experience with Shoeboxed because Concur is tied to my corporate AmEx card... there are actually very few expenses that I need to do much manual touchup on.

Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by jacques_chester on Friday September 19, 2014 @12:15PM (#8341128)
Even with a company Amex and with the receipt app, it still regularly takes me hours to submit a report for even a short trip.
Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by zippergz on Friday September 19, 2014 @11:48AM (#8341006)
Interesting. I actually think it's pretty good. But maybe that's just because I was previously using Oracle Financials for expense reports. After that, anything seems amazing.
Re:SAP agrees to buy expense software maker Concur for $7.3B by ddddarti on Friday September 19, 2014 @07:48AM (#8339993)
We use Nexonia. Web app is ok, mobile app is good.

(I don't work for Nexonia, I work for a company that uses it)