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Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by nakedrobot2 on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @05:35PM (#8327249)
The FAA is flushing a multi-billion dollar industry down the toilet with their ridiculous restrictions on this gigantic, growing drone craze. Most of these things weigh a couple pounds and are mostly harmless (definitely less than, say, a baseball hitting you). I'm glad I live in Europe.
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by icebraining on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @06:05PM (#8327367)
Europe's a big place. They're banned in Spain: http://www.thespainreport.com/4617/spain-bans-civilian-drone...

Apparently they're writing specific norms for what and how they'll be usable legally (and most likely it'll require a license), but for now, it's a full ban.

Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by bigiain on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:31PM (#8328201)
"Most of these things"...

My two newest ones both weigh in under 400g (a bit less than 1lb) ready to fly - fully loaded I could fly with 800 or 900g all up if I wanted to (they're a _lot_ less fun to fly loaded up like that though). They both use 5 or 6 inch props, usually plastic (though I do have some carbon fibre ones) which while they hurt a bit if you're careless are not super dangerous. I'd hesitate at calling them "mostly harmless" - you're right in that they're about as likely to cause damage in public as a baseball or frisbee - I think of them as about as dangerous as a kid on a bicycle.

A friend has a octocopter with eight 14inch carbon fibre props spun by 2kW motors which weighs in at over 6kg with all five cameras it usually flys with mounted.

Those _shouldn't_ be subject to the same rules - but the hobby/tech moves _way_ faster than the regulations, so while I disagree with it, I understand _why_ the restrictions need to first be based on the assumption that there are people flying unshrouded lawnmowers spinning blades capable of chopping heads off - because they _are_.

At least here in .au, there's strong evidence our local authorities are thinking about a graduated set of regulations (at least for "non commercial, hobby use"), where sub 0.5kg craft will be treated differently to 2kg and 5+kg craft.

Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by joezydeco on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @10:30AM (#8330123)
You can shit on the US-FAA all you want. I enjoy the fact we have an FAA that errs on the side of caution and restraint until a technology is understood and all the implications sorted out.

That caution and care (in cooperation with an equally cautious NTSB) has created an airline industry in the USA that's 10 times per mile safer than driving in a car.

I shudder to think what air travel would be like if we had all adopted a "shoot first think later" attitude in the early days.

Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by ratsbane on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @10:46AM (#8330226)
The early days of commercial aviation in the US were largely open and unregulated. The first serious governmental effort to regulate aviation in the US was in 1926, by which time it was clearly needed.

I don't know anyone who thinks the FAA should have no ability to regulate drones, but their unwillingness to draw limits for themselves is causing real problems. Noncommercial drones/model aircraft less than a certain weight and operating below 400 feet and not near an airport have always been legal. If hobbyists are safe to operate according to those rules for personal enjoyment, why should they be banned from operating under those rules for pay?

[edit: grammar]

Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by joezydeco on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @10:49AM (#8330246)
I agree, the FAA is a bit messed up when it comes to what can be allowed as a hobby and what needs to be regulated as a business.
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by trhway on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @08:06PM (#8327795)
>The FAA is flushing a multi-billion dollar industry down the toilet with their ridiculous restrictions

Regulations follow the life with lag. AirBNB and Uber are most recent examples of "break the rules en-masse and thus force the rules change after". FAA will change their rules once a million drones will appear in the skies as they will just be not able to fine each and every aerial photographer. Until then it is just noise.

Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by ratsbane on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @06:06PM (#8327374)
That is exactly what they are doing. It is infuriating to watch our potential US drone industry developing in Canada, Australia, Japan, etc., but not here.
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by Maxious on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @07:17PM (#8327643)
Australia: 146 registered Remotely Piloted Aircraft operators and counting http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_1...
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by at-fates-hands on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @09:41PM (#8328051)
Mostly harmless like when you fly them next to an apartment complex?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuBSsBscRDU

I find interesting that people are more scared of the NSA and yet we have tons of people flying these around your neighborhoods and apartments and nobody bats an eye about your invasion of privacy.

Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by baddox on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @01:59AM (#8328761)
Yes, still mostly harmless. Still comparable to playing baseball in a residential area.

As far as privacy goes, of course it's possible to violate privacy with a drone. But it's a lot more practical to violate privacy with a telescope or a camera with a zoom lens. The only thing a drone can get you is a shot of the roof or backyard, a really easy way to get spotted, and relatively short "mission" duration.

Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by Houshalter on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @08:25AM (#8329606)
It's a concern, but can't you just set up a camera on the ground, or any number of other ways? The benefits of accessing the third dimension are far greater than the benefits of restricting it.
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by wastedhours on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @08:14AM (#8329570)
Partly ignorance. People I know see them a bit like those little toy helicopters, rather than as a stable, flying camera.
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by Already__Taken on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @06:55AM (#8329404)
I odn't disagree but I think this is a bad argument.

> definitely less than, say, a baseball hitting you

Is it not quite common to see "No Ball games" signs in public places? I've seen a fair few in the UK. Obviously that's not a law but it's there to stop people going to the park to drive golf balls across the football pitch.

Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by yellow on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @09:05PM (#8327951)
Have you seen pictures of what drone props can do to skin? Even the handheld drones draw blood easily. The $500 phantoms can cause damage requiring stitches... Not sure a baseball is the best analogy.
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by patio11 on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @09:37PM (#8328035)
Baseballs are safe in their most common state, but can quite easily send you to the ER.

"Hey, how about we have a game where we have one teenager fire a fast moving projectile through a space occupied by other teenagers?"

"Doesn't sound fun! Let's tell the other teenagers to get in the way of the fast moving projectile."

Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by baddox on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @01:56AM (#8328751)
The drone lacerations may be a flashier image for a photograph, but baseball injuries are nothing to dismiss. Also note that all of the drone injury pictures I have seen are from the drone owner accidentally throttling up while holding the drone, which is an incredibly easily avoidable mistake.
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by jff on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @05:48PM (#8327297)
Yes, Europe, known for its lack of reactionary restrictions on useful technologies.
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by Someone1234 on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @05:52PM (#8327310)
Aside from weapons I'm not sure that characterisation is fair.
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by jff on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @07:17PM (#8327642)
GMO food, off the top of my head.
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by eru on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @08:51PM (#8327902)
Fracking.
Re:How drones and UAVs are already affecting construction jo... by UnoriginalGuy on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @09:36PM (#8328034)
Most countries have clamped down on Fracking since it is quite harmful to both the environment and the people living in the area.

Only the US seems to plow ahead on the back of political bribes, expensive campaigning, and "energy independence."