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Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by nokiaman on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @03:07PM (#8326394)
What about cyclists buzzing pedestrians?

I see cyclists constantly breaking traffic rules, speeding through red lights, mounting onto the pavement, and they never get punished.

If cyclists want to be treated as a road vehicle, perhaps they should be registered like one with a license plate?

Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by wffurr on Tuesday September 30, 2014 @12:07PM (#8388983)
Cyclists are far less dangerous than cars. 3000lb car at 30 mph vs 200lb cyclist+bike at 15 mph is 30x less momentum to be transferred. Not to mention a cyclist hitting something is as likely to be injured as the recipient.

Cyclists should behave well, but they are not worthy of traffic enforcement because they are nowhere near as dangerous. Police enforcement should be focused on the most dangerous road users.

Further, many of the poor behaviors you see are a result of cyclists trying to navigate safely for themselves in the absence of good infrastructure. Good cycling behavior is easy when you have separated cycle lanes and clear signals and signage.

It's not that cyclists "want to be treated as road vehicles", but rather that's how the law treats them. I would much rather have my own separated, protected lane and signals than have to mix with motor vehicle traffic.

Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by bincrosby on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @03:14PM (#8326464)
There's a certain amount of chicken and egg at work here. Yes, there are cyclists who run red lights and behave badly just because they can. On the other hand, there are traffic laws that I regularly break while biking to stay alive (crossing onto sidewalks, stopping in the road, even ignoring stop signs to get away from large vehicles). Having been hit by a bus while on the sidwalk, I'm acutely aware of how frail and unlike a car I really am.

In short, my choices aren't made based on traffic laws. They're based on trying not to get hit on a minute-to-minute basis. In places without decent bike infrastructure, strict enforcement just presents a choice between tickets and death.

Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by aroch on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @03:36PM (#8326620)
You can't have your cake and eat it to; either everyone follows all the traffic laws (including you) or no one follows all the traffic laws.
Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by malyk on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @05:53PM (#8327315)
Or you could have more reasonable traffic laws.
Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by jackmaney on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @07:41PM (#8327708)
Or we could start enforcing traffic laws for cyclists.
Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by malyk on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @08:52PM (#8327907)
And for speeding cars, rolling stops for cars, illegal turns, broken lights, using cellphones while driving, parking in bike lanes, etc.

The most frequent complaint I hear about cyclists is the stop sign/red light/yield to pedestrians issue. Changing the law to be more sensible (specifically implementing the Idaho Stop for cyclists) would end the vast majority of those complaints.

Other issues, like taking up an entire lane, are annoying, but only done consistently by assholes...just like only a small portion of drivers are assholes.

It's certainly a pain to have to go slow behind a cyclist when in a car, but it isn't your god given right to go 10 mph over the speed limit at all times...which is the prevailing attitude of basically all drivers everywhere.

Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by jackmaney on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:55PM (#8328294)
How about we just start by having traffic laws enforced for cyclists at the same overall rate as that for motorists.
Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by wffurr on Tuesday September 30, 2014 @12:07PM (#8388987)
How about we enforce the laws proportional to the danger each road user poses to those around them?
Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by jackmaney on Tuesday October 07, 2014 @03:46PM (#8423549)
That sounds like a possible second step.

First, let's start enforcing traffic laws for cyclists.

Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by wffurr on Wednesday October 08, 2014 @11:49AM (#8427527)
The doctrine of proportional harm would basically eliminate enforcement of traffic laws for cyclists because they cause very, very little harm compared to motor vehicles.
Re:New California law requires drivers passing cyclists to g... by jackmaney on Wednesday October 08, 2014 @05:49PM (#8429651)
You're assuming that I buy into this so-called "doctrine of proportional harm" (whatever that is).

You know what happens when you assume, don't you?