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Re:Raise the Crime Rate (2012) by kazagistar on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @09:00PM (#8300270)
The problem presented is very real, but the proposed "solution" is absurd. There are plenty of way functional prison systems. As long as we stop dehumanizing felons and normalizing crimes against them, I see no reason why reform is impossible.
Re:Raise the Crime Rate (2012) by jessaustin on Thursday September 11, 2014 @07:25AM (#8301913)
Reasonable prison systems incarcerate much smaller percentages of their populations than the USA one does. Any reform worth contemplating will result in the release of many prisoners, and the closure of prisons in all but the most overcrowded states.
Re:Raise the Crime Rate (2012) by Ntrails on Thursday September 11, 2014 @09:34AM (#8302431)
Already in the Prison Treatment Act of 1945, the view was expressed that the deprivation of freedom itself should be regarded as the penal element of a prison sentence and not the actual prison experience itself. Thus, the PTA of 1974 states explicitly that an inmate shall be treated with respect for his or her human dignity. [1]

As ever when I look for an country that I think will be an example of doing something well, I start with the nordics. And I see that Sweden has recently closed 4 prisons because they don't have enough prisoners to fill them any more. [2]

I would love to hear counter points if my cursory reading has missed something - but in general I was once again impressed by the attitudes I see there.

[1] http://www.internationalpenalandpenitentiaryfoundation.org/S... [2]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/11/sweden-closes-p...

Re:Raise the Crime Rate (2012) by reitanqild on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:11AM (#8302655)
Counterpoint: the Norwegian government is considering hiring capacity in the Netherlands for 700 long term prisoners. Sweden is said to have considered hiring capacity as well but decided against because of the legal minefield surrounding this topic.

(Edit: Since this is possibly controversial, here are a few Norwegian sources: https://www.google.com/search?q=soning+i+Nederland )

Re:Raise the Crime Rate (2012) by kazagistar on Thursday September 11, 2014 @04:28PM (#8304966)
Agreed. But the reform proposed in the article stated unconditional "abolishment" as the goal. That is crazy.
Re:Raise the Crime Rate (2012) by hawleyal on Monday September 15, 2014 @08:54AM (#8318474)
So systemic and institutional torture is fine, as long as the rest of us are marginally "safer".
Re:Raise the Crime Rate (2012) by hawleyal on Friday September 12, 2014 @11:31AM (#8308559)
The money for this is not available. It is an ideal that cannot be attained.
Re:Raise the Crime Rate (2012) by jacquesm on Saturday September 13, 2014 @05:26AM (#8311964)
The current system actually costs more to society, so the money is definitely available.