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Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by shpx on Friday September 05, 2014 @07:24AM (#8273278)
The whole point of sports is not about perfectly enforcing the rules. I remember an article a while back on here about speed walking, and how a staggering majority of speed walkers actually violate the main rule of speed walking (you can't have both feet off the ground), and while that rule could easily be enforced with cameras it isn't because it would just ruin the sport.

It seems to me like the easiest thing to do would be change the rules, bringing the strike zone back to what it was. It'll most likely cause outrage, but ironically you'd be going back to the way things were before. It all comes back to the fact that the reason for sports is not to perfectly follow some set of bizarre rules, its just to be entertaining.

Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by blowski on Friday September 05, 2014 @07:36AM (#8273299)
I agree completely.

The football World Cup in Brazil this year showed something similar with the 'goal line technology'. When Benzema scored against Honduras, in previous years, arguments would have persisted for years about whether the ball crossed the line. Now it was over within seconds. Similar story in tennis, cricket, athletics, and a lot of other sports.

Moaning about bad decisions is part of the fun. When you can't do it, the sport does get a bit more boring.

Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by GFischer on Friday September 05, 2014 @09:21AM (#8273691)
I disagree. There are plenty of bad decisions to moan about without having to artificially cripple judges.

I look forward to automated offside calls (and I would really love to modify the offside rule), and video reviews before penalty kicks (which is a really harsh and match-defining punishment, shouldn't be taken so lightly).

I like basketball, and while video reviews do sometimes detract from the flow, I think they do add some excitement (especially when a shot goes off just before the clock goes out).

Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by fgp on Friday September 05, 2014 @09:10AM (#8273639)
I agree partially. Refereeing mistakes are part of the fun of soccer and other sports, but it is not so funny when the team you support ends up losing a game or a championship because of them.
Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by alkonaut on Friday September 05, 2014 @09:42AM (#8273792)
In football it's fairly simple, the rule used to be "you have scored a goal when you have shot the ball far enough into the net that an old half-blind referee can see that it's in the net". Sure there are mistakes with that rule, but the whole game is about subjective calls from the ref, so saying that a cup would hinge on a few millimeters is just silly. The ref could still have missed six penalties for the other team. GLT removes the obvious mistakes, which is good because they are controversial and it's bad PR for the sport, but football will always be about subjective calls.
Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by toyg on Friday September 05, 2014 @02:17PM (#8275386)
> the whole game is about subjective calls from the ref

No it's not. The referee is just the shortest practical path to enforce a set of rules, which are the real essence of the sport. This is why people play just fine in parks without referees.

Refs are there to enforce the rules; if the same set of rules can be better enforced by other means, referees should be replaced. Subjective referee calls are a plague on the sport, and they are a prime cause for the dismal amount of corruption in it. The sooner we can get rid of them (or at least reduce their role), the better.

Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by ScottWhigham on Friday September 05, 2014 @02:44PM (#8275573)
I'm sorry but maybe you are confusing "football" with "American football"? In "soccer" (ahem), the game is completely subject to the ref's discretion. If the ref gives a red card in the first minute, it will affect the game. If the ref chooses not to give that red card, it will affect the game and how it is played. There's no other logical way to view it.
Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by toyg on Friday September 05, 2014 @04:17PM (#8276055)
There is no such thing as "American football", that's gridiron ;)

Back to the subject, what I meant is that the fact that the ref has power of life and death over a game is a side effect of his role as the enforcer of rules; but we don't define the game of football as "the game where you have a referee", do we? The essence of football is in its rules, not in how they are enforced; otherwise people couldn't play it in parks without refs.

If tomorrow we could have a perfect "refbot" software that can automatically call fouls from TV with better accuracy than human referees, using it wouldn't mean that we are not playing "football" anymore -- the game would be exactly the same, only rules would be enforced without a human ref. (as a sidenote, such a refbot would wipe out a lot of corruption overnight, and I for one would welcome it with open arms -- never again should we see shambolic farces like the 2002 World Cup, Henry's and Maradona's "Hands of God", etc etc).

Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by jacquesm on Friday September 05, 2014 @07:27AM (#8273287)
> It all comes back to the fact that the reason for sports is not to perfectly follow some set of bizarre rules, its just to be entertaining.

The participants or the audience?

I'm trying hard to imagine a world where the rules of chess are changed to turn it into a more spectator friendly sport.

Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by maxerickson on Friday September 05, 2014 @07:41AM (#8273313)
I imagine time limits on moves are partly because of spectators.
Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by jacquesm on Friday September 05, 2014 @07:53AM (#8273343)
I think those are mostly to make sure a game will actually progress rather than that one party can force a losing game to a standstill.
Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by hyperpape on Friday September 05, 2014 @09:51AM (#8273838)
This isn't precisely the same, but there are many proposals to change the rules of tournament chess to try to limit the number of draws.
Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by blowski on Friday September 05, 2014 @07:57AM (#8273358)
In a sense, the rules of chess are frequently changed - speed chess, chess-boxing, Cheshire Cat chess, etc.
Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by jacquesm on Friday September 05, 2014 @07:59AM (#8273363)
I would consider those 'variations' rather than rule changes.
Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by blowski on Friday September 05, 2014 @08:20AM (#8273448)
In baseball, the rules were not being 'changed' they were just being applied inconsistently because of human limitations. The umpire (or is it referee in baseball) is just another player - human and error-prone. When 'he' (is there a 'she'?) becomes a faultless, indisputable 'it', then that part of the game is lost.

Even in chess, these problems exist. Think of Bobby Fischer moaning about the cameras in 1972.

Re:The Simple Technology That Accidentally Ruined Baseball by lostcolony on Friday September 05, 2014 @08:04AM (#8273377)
Interesting. I neither knew that speed walking had rules, nor that it was ever practiced in the sort of contexts where enforcement would be necessary.