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Re:The Unexotic Underclass by JabavuAdams on Wednesday September 03, 2014 @10:26AM (#8263126)
Organ donation 2.0 and prostitution 2.0.

But we're helping the poor to make their own decisions about how to generate wealth.

Re:The Unexotic Underclass by aianus on Wednesday September 03, 2014 @11:57AM (#8263612)
Let me understand how I'm supposed to see this:

A-OK: Rich Americans die from kidney failure while poor Africans die from malnutrition/AIDS/TB/whatever.

Reprehensible exploitation: Rich American buys a kidney from a poor African, feeding his family for a decade in the process. Nobody dies.

Re:The Unexotic Underclass by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 03, 2014 @01:43PM (#8264268)
> Rich American buys a kidney from a poor African, feeding his family for a decade in the process. Nobody dies.

Until the poor African's one remaining kidney goes bad, he can't get a transplant (nor the lifetime of expensive drugs to retain one), and his family starves for lack of a breadwinner.

Re:The Unexotic Underclass by wutbrodo on Thursday September 04, 2014 @03:29AM (#8267129)
I think that organ sales are substantially more complicated than this conversation is making it, but your point here could not possibly make less sense. It should be obvious with a moment's thought that "My family and I will starve right now" is way worse than "there's a small chance my second kidney will fail and then my family will starve" (and that's without considering the effect on the person who got a transplant).
Re:The Unexotic Underclass by dropit_sphere on Thursday September 04, 2014 @12:33AM (#8266778)
(worth reading, tangentially answers your question, 10/10) http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/
Re:The Unexotic Underclass by ctchocula on Thursday September 04, 2014 @02:44AM (#8267043)
Thanks for sharing this blog. It really jived with me how we could be in a dystopia no single person is responsible for creating, but which inertia keeps bringing forth untold misery.
Re:The Unexotic Underclass by jwgur on Wednesday September 03, 2014 @12:45PM (#8263904)
It's a false premise - the "Rich American" has a duty to help those who are less fortunate (poor Africans), and that duty extends further than just quid pro quo transactions.
Re:The Unexotic Underclass by aianus on Wednesday September 03, 2014 @01:07PM (#8264047)
That's not going to happen and in the meantime this idealism is killing people.
Re:The Unexotic Underclass by JabavuAdams on Thursday September 04, 2014 @01:35AM (#8266934)
We don't know that. In any case, the example is too simplistic anytime there is a lucrative market in organs, there will be middlemen who coerce victims into donating. That will / does kill people, no doubt.

Whenever you're thinking about human systems, you need to think about how humans will game the system. Essentially, you're not facing a static adversary, but an adaptive, motivated one.