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Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by ChuckMcM on Thursday August 21, 2014 @09:42PM (#8210506)
Since it is a drought, there is literally no "fix" for it, and California has been responding per their plan to the length of it. You need only drive down the central valley (I-5) and see the thousands of acres of farmland reverting to desert.

The next step is mandatory rationing of drinking water. At some point one might consider the option of building an aqueduct to connect the Missouri river to the west coast, or at least to headwaters of the Colorado.

Since we cannot manipulate the weather, or the ocean currents, we're unable to 'fix' the root cause. When mandatory rationing hits, people will gripe more loudly. When importing water in trucks from Oregon becomes profitable people will really grumble.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by bradleyjg on Thursday August 21, 2014 @11:44PM (#8210809)
There is more than plenty of water for human consumption. Restrictions like forcing restaurants not to put water on the table are conservation theatre. A serving of California grown rice represents 20-25 gallons of water. If there are to restrictions on restaurants it should be to serving produce and livestock sourced from the arid west.

What California needs to do is reform its outdated water laws to move from the incredibly inefficient prior appropriation system to an auction system. Let the farmers and ranchers bid against the cities for their acre-feet of water.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by radicality on Friday August 22, 2014 @08:32AM (#8211785)
How can one get that 20-25 gallons of water figure?

I don't know much about agriculture/life-cycle of water, but say you water your rice field – then some of the water is absorbed by rice so that it can grow, but the rest clearly must stay in the ground, evaporate, and then come back down as rain, no? How does a serving of rice then use up 20-25 gallons of water?

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by monort on Friday August 22, 2014 @08:45AM (#8211821)
According to this table you need 2500 liters of water per 1 kg of rice:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jan/10/how-muc...

25 gallons per serving seems to be underestimated.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by maxerickson on Friday August 22, 2014 @01:34PM (#8213073)
In this context, "use" means something like "remove from the predictable supply".

So if you don't have any rainfall, you have to remove 25 gallons from your source to grow the rice.

Groundwater replenishment and rainfall would already be counted as part of your predictable supply.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by vacri on Friday August 22, 2014 @12:15AM (#8210870)
Coming from Australia, where we've recently come off a 10-year drought, rationing drinking water is far from the next thing. Before you ration drinking water, you ban or ration washing cars, watering lawns, and laundry.

Lawns in particular guzzle a lot of water - watering lawns would have to be fully prohibited before anyone sensible started rationing drinking water, as the latter is a public health issue, and lawns are merely pretty. Having restaurants limit water is pure theatre, as bradleyjg has already mentioned.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by dmpayton on Friday August 22, 2014 @01:45AM (#8211038)
Before you ration drinking water, you ban or ration washing cars, watering lawns, and laundry.

I live in Fresno, and we're not too far off from that. Come November, no one is allowed to water their lawns, and they're threatening to completely shut off the water to anyone who violates this multiple times.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by dragonwriter on Friday August 22, 2014 @02:19AM (#8211091)
> Before you ration drinking water, you ban or ration washing cars, watering lawns, and laundry.

In the Sacramento region (and I believe other parts of the state), that's already happening. But its fairly light rationing for now, and we're very far from rationing drinking water.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by dredmorbius on Friday August 22, 2014 @07:10AM (#8211601)
Does Sacramento have water meters yet?
Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by dragonwriter on Friday August 22, 2014 @09:56AM (#8212075)
About half of the city of Sacramento proper does [1], not that you need meters to restrict lawn watering or car washing.

[1] http://portal.cityofsacramento.org/Utilities/Conservation/Wa...

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by dredmorbius on Friday August 22, 2014 @05:19PM (#8214016)
While some restrictions can be enforced via other means, metering and noting aberrantly high consumption patterns can both show unobserved violations and find other causes of wasting -- e.g., broken mains or pipes on a property.
Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by debt on Thursday August 21, 2014 @10:20PM (#8210611)
It's completely dead down the I-5. At first, because I'm not from here, I thought it was pretty normal. But as time when on it's pretty obviously not the case.

Off I-99 we had to take some farm roads and we can just see water near the edge of the farms just gushing groundwater into their irrigation systems. It's absolutely incredible. No regulation, just 100's of gallons of water flowing out of a groundwater pipe into a larger irrigation pipe.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by SilasX on Friday August 22, 2014 @02:01AM (#8211066)
>The next step is mandatory rationing of drinking water.

Whoa, slow down! There are about a hundred steps to take before cutting back on drinking water:

- less water intense crops - less water intense lawns - recycling for industrial uses - recycling greywater for toilets

Personally, I'd prefer they just charge a rate that looks more like a drought and let farmers sell water rather than "use it or lose it".

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by bmelton on Friday August 22, 2014 @12:02AM (#8210841)
Mandatory rationing of drinking water may be a step, but should definitely not be the next step.

Despite California's attempts to "crack down" on the ALS challenge and such, there are still companies sourcing bottled water from the state that should likely be dealt with first.

Agriculture is (obviously) the largest source of water consumption in California as well.

Beyond that, there are some wacky laws (and logistical issues) complicating the import of water from places like Canada, but in my opinion, the next step should be to curtail (or impose costs upon) the alfalfa hay being exported from California to China.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by majormajor on Friday August 22, 2014 @01:48AM (#8211042)
> California's attempts to "crack down" on the ALS challenge and such

I don't think this has actually happened. The only source I've seen for that is a satire site.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by bmelton on Friday August 22, 2014 @09:13AM (#8211915)
Ha! Yes. I'm an idiot. And sadly, while I grew up with the Onion and such, this is not the first time in recent history that I fell for something like that.

I don't know if I'm getting older, or the weirdest news is getting too believable.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by jack-r-abbit on Friday August 22, 2014 @01:05PM (#8212920)
The real news almost seems like a joke at times. It is getting harder to tell the difference. I fell for the satire article about the ALS crackdown. It didn't have anything in it that was over the top to tip you off that it was satire. At least The Onion usually throws in something to tip you off. But I could be biased about that because I already know The Onion is satire. I'd never heard of the one that ran the ALS crackdown article.
Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by bagels on Friday August 22, 2014 @12:39AM (#8210905)
"there are still companies sourcing bottled water from the state"

If that is true, then this says the price that the bottler is paying for California sourced water is far too low.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by ktsmith on Friday August 22, 2014 @02:32AM (#8211114)
http://clui.org/ludb/site/crystal-geyser-olancha-plant

The Olancha Crystal Geyser bottling plant is on Highway 395 right next to the dry bed of Owens Lake. The Owens River used to run into Owens Lake but the water was diverted for the Los Angeles Aqueduct and now it's an Alkali dust bowl. Every time I drive past the facility (usually twice a year) I'm reminded about how much of a mess Californias water policy has been since at least 1905 when the projects were first started. In 1930 LA started a project to siphon water away from the Mono Basin and that's had a very detrimental effect on the area including Mono Lake as well. You can see some changes in the area since courts have ruled that not as much water can be taken, from Mono at least, but the drought has made it look pretty insignificant.

I don't know which states are supplied bottled water from that facility but at the very least it's bottled and trucked into LA, and for some residents it's essentially the same water they are getting from their tap.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by dragonwriter on Friday August 22, 2014 @02:27AM (#8211104)
> Despite California's attempts to "crack down" on the ALS challenge

I don't think any such challenge exists; the only thing I've seen from the state government relating to the ALS challenge in the context of the drought is a public information officer for the Department of Water Resources responding to questions about it by saying that the Department hasn't given any thought to it and redirecting attention to the ongoing water uses that the Department is trying to get people to cut down on.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by dragonwriter on Friday August 22, 2014 @09:57AM (#8212081)
In the above, "challenge" should be "attempt" -- noticed that after the edit window closed.
Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by ChuckMcM on Friday August 22, 2014 @01:39AM (#8211029)
Great conversation, if you don't mind I'll try to put together a group of thoughts here rather than individually.

I was imprecise when I said "ration drinking water" rather the more accurate term would be "ration the water allocation to citizens" (that is what the city meters) and rationing isn't like you get your 150 gallons and then poof, it is really more like if you use more than your 'ration' your water bill will be much much higher. Which is, as others have noted, an economic allocation mechanism.

The rice fields are being drained. Over time as contracts run out and federal allocations are cut, those fields too will go dry.

It is hard to 'see' the regulation if irrigation water, and it is true there is no regulation on water pumped from underground. Having spent the summer working on a farm, the farms in the central valley get allocation from the water system that goes through it, and those big pipes with the wheels on them get closed and locked. When you are getting your allocation they are opened for a specific amount of time, as the system is calibrated to pass a specified amount of acre feet per minute/hour/day which is dumped into the irrigation canals around your farm. Once the allocation is up the pipe is closed for that period.

I agree that long before anyone decides to fund a giant river rerouting however some of the hydroponics experiments going on are going to yield much more water efficient farms.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by jfb on Thursday August 21, 2014 @11:18PM (#8210746)
It can't be "fixed", per se, but there is an argument that a market price for water would at least be a better system for allocation.

Of course, this is easy to say from Toronto.

Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by zem on Friday August 22, 2014 @12:07AM (#8210853)
rationing of drinking water?! i do hope you're joking (always hard to tell on here) - that would come waaaay down any list of water conservation measures.
Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by jthol on Friday August 22, 2014 @02:46AM (#8211137)
I can't imagine the scope of a project that would move water 1500 miles over a mountain range. From the Missouri valley to western Kansas is a 3000 ft elevation change. You are literally trying to get water to flow uphill.
Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by justin66 on Friday August 22, 2014 @05:40AM (#8211445)
Making water flow uphill is more feasible than getting everyone affected by a substantial change in the Missouri River's flow to agree to such a diversion.
Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by sliverstorm on Saturday August 23, 2014 @12:20AM (#8214975)
No kidding. If the whole damn Colorado River isn't enough to satisfy the West Coast, it will be a cold day in hell before the East shares their water.
Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by tomjen3 on Friday August 22, 2014 @04:17PM (#8213745)
They dug a channel through Panama by hand. We humans are pretty good at engineering.
Re:Epic Drought in West Is Literally Moving Mountains by jthol on Friday August 22, 2014 @09:58PM (#8214762)
The panama canal is 50 miles wide and has an elevation change of 85 feet. Construction took 10 years.

It would be vastly more efficient to have a pipe line which would still be ludicrous.