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Re:Edward Snowden: The Untold Story by logfromblammo on Wednesday August 13, 2014 @11:07AM (#8173211)
The Chinese spies are not in the NSA. They're in the Beltway Bandit and Silicon Valley companies, copying the source code for the drivers used in industrial machinery and weapons systems.

They are smart enough to make spying into a profitable business instead of just a mechanism to move tax dollars to the right people. And with respect to using it as a tool of oppression, we simply don't have anything new to teach them, as they just don't need to know anything about FISA courts or parallel construction.

Re:Edward Snowden: The Untold Story by nostrademons on Wednesday August 13, 2014 @04:21PM (#8174831)
The Chinese spies are in China. They install malware onto the computers of American engineers in Silicon Valley, which then takes on the task of copying the source code needed for critical software systems.

This is the 21st century. There's no need to put yourself in physical danger by entering the country you wish to spy upon. Everything is done electronically.

Re:Edward Snowden: The Untold Story by frandroid on Wednesday August 13, 2014 @04:48PM (#8174936)
I wish people backed their claims with evidence.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Untold Story by prostoalex on Wednesday August 13, 2014 @08:43PM (#8175585)
Anecdotal evidence of an attack that didn't go as planned http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-10/thieves-spie...
Re:Edward Snowden: The Untold Story by logfromblammo on Thursday August 14, 2014 @03:43PM (#8179436)
I hope you find that djinn djar someday. But you should know that just sitting back and saying "citation needed" is implicitly an ad hominem distraction attempting to discredit the speaker, and an invitation for that person to appeal to authority.

I prefer to think that everyone should always question everything I say, and independently verify my claims with their own trusted sources. Then, if they find contradictory information, they are free to share it, so that I might possibly disabuse myself of my prior misconceptions. (As you see, I also have need for wishes.)

Of course, if you have actual research funding for me, that's a different story. I'll give you as much evidence as you can afford.

Talk is cheap, and proof will cost you. If you want evidence, you might have to grab a shovel and start digging.

Re:Edward Snowden: The Untold Story by nostrademons on Wednesday August 13, 2014 @04:52PM (#8174966)
Here's what's publicly available:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora

Re:Edward Snowden: The Untold Story by jtzhou on Thursday August 14, 2014 @03:59AM (#8176503)
There are plenty more hard-working, tax-paying Chinese engineers and high skilled workers making up for the occasional spying incident. And the high-earning engineers pay much more in taxes to help fund the American counterespionage programs. It seems a worthy trade for US businesses.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Untold Story by logfromblammo on Thursday August 14, 2014 @03:13PM (#8179271)
You know that the Chinese government can buy secrets from native-born citizens, too, right?

Workers in foreign countries and spying in those countries are not necessarily related in any way, aside from the occasional discount windfall that states get from assets with the right sense of patriotism, personal weakness, or political alignment.

There isn't really a trade happening there. The Chinese spying hurts everyone who is not a state-owned copycat company, regardless of their country of origin. The American spying hurts everyone who conducts business over the Internet or travels internationally. The ordinary Chinese people and American people get screwed both ways, because they're unimportant nobodies to the superpower state actors. So let's not get all defensive and start pointing fingers at each other, ok?

Re:Edward Snowden: The Untold Story by tinco on Thursday August 14, 2014 @06:42AM (#8176832)
It's not a trade. Those hard-working, tax-paying Chinese engineers would still come to the U.S., and U.S. companies would still gladly pay them for their services if the Chinese government did not embed espionage agents within them.

Neither the companies nor the Chinese engineers profit from this arrangement.