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Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by ekianjo on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:10AM (#8140948)
Too bad the article does not really go in the insights as to why the IPads are being replaced by something else. It's just being hinted, but that's the main point they should have focused on the article.
Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by mattmcknight on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:18AM (#8140966)
It sounds like the key points are:

-lack of keyboard

-perceived as more of a game device than a work device

-inferior cloud capabilities to a Chromebook (harder to issue replacement device)

-harder to use with some educational web applications

-cost

I never really understood the "tablets for schools" thing. Laptops are better on a desk than on a lap, whereas you might prefer a tablet when you don't have a desk: on the bus, on the couch, in bed...

Maybe we just need more laptops with touchscreens.

Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by ekianjo on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:25AM (#8140979)
> Maybe we just need more laptops with touchscreens.

I'm probably very old school (no word pun intended :) ) but I still don't really get much of why you'd need a touchscreen in the first place. I don't see tons of people drawing with their ipads or on their laptop/tablets, most of the time you just use fingers as a mouse replacement - yeah, it's pretty useful for browsing, but for most of the other applications a touchscreen feels very much "nice to have", i.e. not necessary at all. But again, I'm not in the target population.

Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by briandh on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:57AM (#8141085)
When I've used my mom's Transformer Prime, I've found the touchscreen/keyboard combo much more convenient than my own traditional laptop's screen/trackpad combo.

A USB/Bluetooth mouse can be helpful, but there are many situations where that is inconvenient.

That said, if you are a wiz with keyboard shortcuts it won't make much of a difference. But most people aren't.

Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by psherman on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @02:17AM (#8141276)
Unless the students have a mouse plugged in to their chromebooks, it's more of a comparison between a touchscreen and a touchpad. If the comparison is between two methods where you're dragging a finger around, I think that a touchscreen makes sense to have. You lose the precision of the cursor (and the convenience of the buttons), but you have a more interactive experience, which I imagine is especially convenient for younger students.
Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by DSMan195276 on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:34AM (#8141001)
I agree, I've never seen the need for a standard touch-screen laptop, it seems like the touch-screen is in an inconvenient position since the keyboard sticks out of the computer. That said, I've been eyeing touch-screen laptops that can fold into a tablet form-factor for taking notes in class. It's one of the areas where I find I simply can't type in most notes I take. But, paper's still cheaper and works pretty well.
Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by ekianjo on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:52AM (#8141068)
For browsing instead of touching the screen at arms' length I guess the mouse is the most practical thing to use to scroll down in a page - especially those mice with touch sensors.

As for laptops that can transform into tablets, I guess this makes more sense to have touch-screen anyway.

By the way are you saying that you can not type in class using a keyboard? Is there a reason for that?

Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by DSMan195276 on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @10:11AM (#8142518)
Honestly I've used touch-screen laptops before and using the mouse is just more convenient because you have your hands down there to type 90% of the time anyway. You can get 'used' to using the touch-screen for certain things but for regular laptop usage I've never seen a reason to.

I can type in class if I wanted too (Though, typing it a bit loud, it'd be kinda annoying for my other class-mates). The issue is actually entering in my notes. For example, this summer I took Linear Algebra, and most of the class involves lots and lots of matrices. It's easy to write them on paper, but setting up the formatting correctly to have something readable on the computer is easier said then done. There were also a few classes where we had examples involving drawing two ovals next to each-other with dots inside and then drawing lines between the dots. I'd simply be fussing with my computer to much to actually pay attention and get all the information down when trying to draw out stuff like that. Using a simple notepad is just hands-down better. A tablet interface with a pen would be perfect though, because I could write all my notes down just like a note-pad into the computer, and then go back and reorganize them fairly easily.

I'd rather just buy a laptop that can fold into a tablet because I have no real need or want to have two separate devices considering I probably won't use tablet mode that much.

Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:34AM (#8141002)
Web browsing in bed or by the beach...touch is great. But on a PC rather than a tablet? The jury is still out.
Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by georgemcbay on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:45AM (#8141040)
> -inferior cloud capabilities to a Chromebook (harder to issue replacement device)

Also harder to share a single device among multiple users (related to the cost issue mentioned already) since unlike Chromebooks or most traditional laptops, iOS devices seem unlikely to ever support real multiple-user usage with profiles, logins and everything else.

Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by lotharbot on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @03:01AM (#8141377)
> "you might prefer a tablet when you don't have a desk"

... on the floor, in the hallway, working with a group where you're passing work samples around. All use cases I regularly saw with my 4th graders last year.

That said, for the cost of iPads for one classroom the previous year, we got enough chromebooks for the whole grade level last year. Cost is a huge factor, particularly in a school like mine (97% free/reduced lunch; surplus budget was hard to come by.)

Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:33AM (#8140999)
I use my laptop exclusively on my lap. A tablet is horrible for lap usage when a keyboard is attached to it.
Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by gress on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @01:33AM (#8141172)
It could be those things, or it could just be that Google gave them a bigger discount.
Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by arcameron on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:29AM (#8140985)
Try the MS Surface :p
Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by jcampbell1 on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:31AM (#8140993)
I visited a middle school where all the students had laptops. The teachers would instruct the students to put their laptops in 1 of 3 positions: closed, open facing the student, and open facing the teacher.

The "open facing the teacher" seems strange, but it was incredibly useful because the teacher could quickly verify that all the students were looking at the right thing. It seemed like they turned their computers around 7 times during the class, and so it has the added benefit of not letting them screw around on the laptops.

I don't know if this is standard practice, but it worked well, and would be more cumbersome with a tablet.

Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by blinkingled on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:15AM (#8140961)
The article mentioned several reasons - price, ease of pushing apps, ease of using new one if current one breaks, keyboards, being perceived as more work device than the iPad (less distracting and general perception of the iPad as a gaming/entertainment device).
Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by ekianjo on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:21AM (#8140974)
Yeah, I know, but still I felt this was very light. I'd like to hear more about what kind of things they do differently with a Chromebook vs an iPad, how kids react to a more PC-like device vs a tablet (not just perception, but usage impressions and perceived benefits), how educators use both devices, etc... I was expecting a bit more.
Re:Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads by blinkingled on Wednesday August 06, 2014 @12:33AM (#8140998)
Maybe for your use these are light reasons but for public schools these are pretty sound reasons. Cost, manageability and keyboards specifically are enough to make a decision.