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Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by mseebach on Saturday July 19, 2014 @12:18PM (#8057864)
Wow, grandstanding much? There's no evidence ISPs have throttled VoIP or plan to, but if they did it would be REALLY BAD for $key_voter_demographic.

Sorry guys, even if the end result is commendable, this is literally just FUD. If there's to be any hope of better politics, we need to reject this BS.

Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by kiram9 on Saturday July 19, 2014 @12:57PM (#8058010)
Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by mseebach on Saturday July 19, 2014 @02:35PM (#8058295)
And they were slapped around and stopped doing it, so it's great that politicians are taking action in favour of consumers only 6-8 short years later.
Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by drdaeman on Saturday July 19, 2014 @12:39PM (#8057945)
There is evidence, in Europe. I've also personally witnessed this in Russia - mobile operator was blocking VoIP. Don't think US is any different in this regard.

Unfortunately, a bookmark from 2012 for a full research text had died, but I've found a brief press release here: http://berec.europa.eu/doc/2012/TMI_press_release.pdf

Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by mseebach on Saturday July 19, 2014 @12:53PM (#8057993)
Yes, you're right, mobile is different. But the article is explicity about broadband.
Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by drdaeman on Saturday July 19, 2014 @02:14PM (#8058234)
No idea about first world countries, but in Russia there are broadband ISPs who throttle or completely drop P2P traffic for various reasons. Don't know about VoIP, though - the only cases for blocking those I've read about are corporate networks with their inhumane firewalling.

I can't say throttling/blocking is completely universally bad - for example, we (I work for an ISP, too) had to drop uTP traffic when uTorrent just rolled that protocol, because due to high-PPS low-size packets it put quite a heavy strain on routers, so everyone had worsened network experience. Even though that was somehow controversial decision I still think that that blocking brought more good than evil (we didn't block classic BitTorrent protocol by any means, just uTP) so there should be some rare and sane exceptions from Net Neutrality rules, but nonetheless... the point is, that happens on broadband, too. Just less often.

Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by jamroom on Saturday July 19, 2014 @12:24PM (#8057888)
The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior - we know ISP's have throttled streaming video to enhance their own streaming video offerings, so is it that far fetched to believe they would do the same with VOIP? Most of these large ISP's are heavy into bundling and offer their own VOIP packages, so I think it is fairly logical to assume this is being discussed internally somewhere. Definitely not FUD.
Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by mseebach on Saturday July 19, 2014 @12:51PM (#8057986)
No, they've throttled streaming video to extort money from Netflix.

VoIP has been eating telcos long distance revenue lunch since Vonage came out 10 years ago. Why do you think it's "fairly logical to assume" that they're only just now getting around to to talking about what they might do about that?

Indeed, Comcast did try to throw its weight around in 2009. I'm not sure what came of if, but blocking competing VoIP evidently wasn't it.

Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by altcognito on Saturday July 19, 2014 @12:21PM (#8057876)
They don't need to. They just need to neglect their peer infrastructure and the desired effect will be the same.
Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by mseebach on Saturday July 19, 2014 @12:34PM (#8057922)
Net neutrality doesn't require ISPs to maintain their infrastructure to any particular standard. It's fine that it's crap as long as it's equally crap for all traffic.
Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by sp332 on Saturday July 19, 2014 @02:30PM (#8058282)
If you neglect peering, gradually some peering points will become more congested than others. So it won't be equally crap for all traffic. Some sources will get crappier service than others.
Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by mseebach on Saturday July 19, 2014 @02:41PM (#8058303)
Of course. There's just no language in any net neutrality proposals that will avoid that.

The net neutrality crime in the Netflix debacle was trying to charge Netflix for access, not refusing to upgrade the peering point (since all traffic is equally/neutrally affected by the congestion).

Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by cordite on Saturday July 19, 2014 @02:42PM (#8058307)
I can't remember the name off hand, but there is a VoIP provider that has part of their marketing about how they are stable in the face of degradation. They specifically pointed out samples between theirs and Vonage with the same (poor) network conditions.
Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by Qzmp on Saturday July 19, 2014 @01:51PM (#8058160)
Digicel is currently accused of blocking voip on its networks in the caribbean.
Re:NYC politicians’ one-word case for net neutrality: Skype by oz on Saturday July 19, 2014 @04:47PM (#8058665)
Jamaican here. It's not just an accusation. They've definitely done it and admitted it. I don't know if Skype is blocked, but they've accused Viber and other such services of "toll bypass", and blocked them. The Viber CEO said in an interview that Digicel wants them to pay to be allowed to work again.