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Re:An FBI Counterterrorism Agent Tracked Me Down Because I T... by uptown on Monday July 14, 2014 @10:48PM (#8034476)
"It's the FBI's job to follow up on these types of instances."

What kind of instances? Taking a photo? The author's exact point is that society should recalibrate itself such that anybody photographing a public piece of artwork shouldn't raise suspicions or trigger an FBI follow-up. It's the physical equivalent to the NSA's "collect-it-all" mentality. Targeted intelligence gathering is the appropriate approach in my opinion. And sometimes that means accepting that a 72 year old photographing a made-to-be-photographed statue isn't leading a sleeper cell.

Re:An FBI Counterterrorism Agent Tracked Me Down Because I T... by dm2 on Monday July 14, 2014 @10:54PM (#8034500)
No, reports from a security guard is the kind of instance I am referring to. If the security guard had said "an older man wanted to take pictures of this art-work which happens to be a common natural-gas storage tank, he didn't appear to be a threat", then I can't imagine that the FBI would have wasted resources following up with more than a phone call.
Re:An FBI Counterterrorism Agent Tracked Me Down Because I T... by nemothekid on Monday July 14, 2014 @10:57PM (#8034507)
Thats a tough issue, what if he was a threat. What harm is in the FBI just following up? When a 6 year old calls 911 to chat with an officer, police still follow up to make sure that it was just a 6 year old and not a distress signal.

If the officers were polite what harm is there in them following up and making sure?

Re:An FBI Counterterrorism Agent Tracked Me Down Because I T... by kelnos on Monday July 14, 2014 @11:06PM (#8034538)
Instances of this have chilling effects. I don't want FBI agents showing up at my door, ever. I might think twice about photographing something in public for fear that someone might report me. That's messed up.

You can play the "what if" game until the cows go home, and opinions will of course differ as to where the line of caution should be drawn, but IMO we're far far into the land of paranoia at this point.

Re:An FBI Counterterrorism Agent Tracked Me Down Because I T... by pyre on Monday July 14, 2014 @11:11PM (#8034551)
It's a start down the 'report your neighbors for subversive ideas, comrade' path. What disincentive is there for security guards to not just "report everything, just in case?" How many people will decide not to photograph said art-piece because they might get a visit from the FBI?

Is the answer to all this just some hand-wavy 'everything changed after 9/11?'

Re:An FBI Counterterrorism Agent Tracked Me Down Because I T... by csandreasen on Monday July 14, 2014 @11:37PM (#8034640)
> What disincentive is there for security guards to not just "report everything, just in case?"

Perhaps too many false positives and you get canned for not being able to do your job competently, then subsequently replaced by someone who can adequately assess threats?

Reporting suspicious activity and subsequently investigating it isn't a waste of time - analogously, if it were a waste of time we wouldn't keep security logs on any of our computers. The issue is adequately assessing what is a credible threat and what isn't, which the FBI is likely in a better position to do than the average security guard. That's likely the reason he just dropped off his business card instead of bringing along the SWAT team - based on whatever was tipped to the agent, this guy was probably not an actual threat.

Re:An FBI Counterterrorism Agent Tracked Me Down Because I T... by pyre on Tuesday July 15, 2014 @01:32AM (#8034949)
Several problems here:

- If there is such a "too many false-positives, you get canned" policy, I feel like the threshold is probably set too high... just in case.

- "Better safe than sorry, just report it because the FBI is in a better position to determine X" isn't the bar that you want to use for reporting things.

- The bar for 'suspicious' could just be 'argued with me (security guard) about my ability to prevent him (photographer) from photographing private property from public property.' Or maybe 'he knew his rights' / 'argued about his rights' / 'mentioned the ACLU.' Or just plain old 'he was Muslim and photographing things, I better report him!' I think that these 'filters' are not doing an adequate job of assessing threats, but probably fall well below any thresholds that would get said security guard in trouble for too many false-positives.

- From the FBI side of things, you could equally have 'better safe than sorry' group-think that says no one should be punished for making reports, because we don't want someone to see something that could prevent the 'next 9/11' and then not report it for fear of getting in trouble for if being a false-positive.

> Reporting suspicious activity and subsequently investigating it isn't a waste of time

The problem here is that everyone has different ideas on what is suspicious, and they bring their own prejudices to the table. Law-and-order / authority figures tend to view people that question them (and don't just fall in line) as acting subversively, and therefore suspicious. Just arguing with a guard about their inability to prevent you from photographing private property that is in plain-view from public property (without trespassing) could be enough to make you 'suspicious' just because most people are non-confrontational, and unwilling to push back against what the security guard says. As the Japanese saying goes, "The nail that sticks up its head, gets hammered."

Re:An FBI Counterterrorism Agent Tracked Me Down Because I T... by ScottBurson on Tuesday July 15, 2014 @12:57AM (#8034863)
> Perhaps too many false positives and you get canned for not being able to do your job competently, then subsequently replaced by someone who can adequately assess threats?

That would be a great policy. Too bad the reality is nothing like that -- probably the opposite.

Re:An FBI Counterterrorism Agent Tracked Me Down Because I T... by judk on Monday July 14, 2014 @11:28PM (#8034613)
The FBI is older than 2001. Greybeards remember using telnet to send mail 'From: [email protected]' , triggering a reply with some colorful language, prompting a visit from Secret Service.
Re:An FBI Counterterrorism Agent Tracked Me Down Because I T... by stef25 on Tuesday July 15, 2014 @05:55AM (#8035551)
Taking a photo yes, of a liquid gas storage tank. The feds wouldn't have showed up if he was taking pictures of a traffic light.
Re:An FBI Counterterrorism Agent Tracked Me Down Because I T... by pbhjpbhj on Monday July 14, 2014 @11:25PM (#8034604)
>What kind of instances? Taking a photo? [...] that anybody photographing a public piece of artwork shouldn't raise suspicions or trigger an FBI follow-up. //

If he took a single photo he's nothing like any photog that I've ever met. Sure, they probably have tourists, art appreciators or whatever, taking photos sometimes. But, I'm guessing, they don't all get added to an FBI SAR list - so this person was clearly not "[just] [t]aking a photo". Indeed he was probably taking dozens of photos, from lots of angles.

There's too little detail of course in the story to know - that would move against the angle they're trying to sell.

This was targeted intelligence gathering, surely.