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Re:The March Towards Go by DCKing on Friday July 04, 2014 @06:57AM (#7988208)
Go's type system being weak is a factual statement. Haskell's type system being overcomplicated is an opinion.

One might prefer a weak type system over a strong type system, but that's a different discussion. The parent clearly expressed that he wants a static strong type system.

Re:The March Towards Go by otikik on Friday July 04, 2014 @07:30AM (#7988294)
> weak is a factual statement

I disagree. "Weakly typed" does not even have a precise definition.

Defining "strongly typed" as "the way Haskell does it" and anything less as "weakly typed" is an opinion.

I agree that Haskell types are stronger than Go. That does not does not mean that Go is "weakly typed". It's "less strongly typed than Haskell".

> The parent clearly expressed that he wants a static strong type system.

I was not contesting that, only the classification of Go as "weakly typed".

Re:The March Towards Go by DCKing on Friday July 04, 2014 @08:20AM (#7988464)
I'm not saying Go is a weakly typed language. I'm just saying that the statement "Go is a weakly typed language" is a factual statement that may be true or false. You were wrong in positing the claims "weakly typed" and "overcomplicated" as if they are somehow equally valid, because one is a factual claim and the other is an opinion.

In the most conventional definitions, Go is a strongly typed language. So this factual statement appears to be false.

As always, there is some confusion in this topic about dynamic typing vs static typing. There seems to be plenty of dynamic typing in Go, which in itself does not make its type system weak.

Re:The March Towards Go by NateDad on Saturday July 05, 2014 @08:05AM (#7991656)
Factual implies correct. But you are incorrect that it is weak. You're looking for objective and subjective.
Re:The March Towards Go by personZ on Friday July 04, 2014 @07:59AM (#7988377)
Go's type system being weak is a factual statement. Haskell's type system being overcomplicated is an opinion.

Calling one weak and the other overcomplicated are both completely subjective, biased statements.

And no, some random blog doesn't count as a citation: There are zero legitimate, agreed to sources that will back up your definition. Instead it's people painting broad strokes to bias the world towards their own beliefs.

Just as unreasonably I could say that Go has a Clarified Type System, versus the Conundrum Type System found in Haskell.

Re:The March Towards Go by DCKing on Friday July 04, 2014 @08:10AM (#7988423)
Are you aware that the notions 'weak' and 'strong' are actual terms used to describe type systems [1] ? Did you bother to look that up before going overboard and immediately accuse me of bias? I don't program in either Go or Haskell.

Now whether Go's type system actually has the property of 'weak'ness is very debatable. But whether it is true or false, it remains a factual statement.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_and_weak_typing

Re:The March Towards Go by personZ on Friday July 04, 2014 @08:14AM (#7988439)
You should read the first sentence in the page you linked. To make matters even worse, none of the "weak" notions even apply to Go, and I thought you were talking about something entirely different altogether given that Go is by zero definitions, colloquial or not, "weakly typed".

The post that set this off called Go's type system "weak". They were not saying that it was weakly typed.