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Re:How I Became the Most Hated Person in San Francisco for a... by majormajor on Thursday July 03, 2014 @09:59PM (#7986899)
The bigger ethical question seems to me to be that you're taking something the restaurant chooses to offer as a free convenience, without price-discrimination, and turning it into a game of "who will pay the most to go to this restaurant."

Yes, you say you've started out small, with manual phone usage, etc. But then you go on to say: "So in the interest of ethics and fairness, I want to talk to restaurants about working with them directly on a better reservation system." Sounds like you want to scale it, and make money off of it yourself, after all.

Whereas it seems to me that for high-demand restaurants the manual approach, exists that way because it won't scale. Anyone can get a reservation, if they're willing to wait a few weeks, it doesn't matter what they're willing/able to pay. And once you automate that, how do you keep it from being abused and effectively turning into a sort of demand tax? In which case the restaurant could be pocketing that money themselves by simply making the cost of dining there that high in the first place, but if they didn't, it's probably because they didn't want to restrict so heavily based on spending ability. (Well, and because pricing/markets is tricky, and who knows if it would've been successful initially at a higher price... this part is just speculation on my end.)

Re:How I Became the Most Hated Person in San Francisco for a... by greenyoda on Thursday July 03, 2014 @10:27PM (#7986982)
Making reservations under assumed names (i.e., lying) is also unethical.

"So in the interest of ethics and fairness, I want to talk to restaurants about working with them directly on a better reservation system."

It's not likely that a restaurant (or anyone else) would want to go into a business partnership with someone who has clearly demonstrated that they're willing to lie to make a buck.

Also, as a commenter in the Valleywag article[1] pointed out, it's easy for restaurants to defeat this: just require diners to show an ID to claim their reservations.

[1] http://valleywag.gawker.com/restaurant-reservation-scalping-...

Re:How I Became the Most Hated Person in San Francisco for a... by __david__ on Thursday July 03, 2014 @10:48PM (#7987067)
> Making reservations under assumed names (i.e., lying) is also unethical.

What? As someone who frequently puts in random names for reservations, I fail to see what is unethical about this…

Why on earth does a random restaurant deserve my real name? The transaction going on there is on a different level than that.

> It's easy for restaurants to defeat this: just require diners to show an ID to claim their reservations.

Again, no. If a restaurant demands ID before they seat me, that is a restaurant I will never patronize.

Re:How I Became the Most Hated Person in San Francisco for a... by vacri on Thursday July 03, 2014 @11:15PM (#7987147)
What? As someone who frequently puts in random names for reservations, I fail to see what is unethical about this

Well, it's not unethical like you're injecting babies with a controversial drug. It's quite mildly unethical - a reservation is a promise. Promising something with a fake name is a little unethical - you're asking someone to do something for you, but offering no avenue of recourse if you don't hold up your end of the bargain. I think in this case that it's unethical to the same degree that taking some ballpoints home from work is stealing.

Re:How I Became the Most Hated Person in San Francisco for a... by alialkhatib on Friday July 04, 2014 @12:43AM (#7987379)
If I gave someone my real name for a reservation and then flaked, there's nothing they could (practically) do about it anyway. The name is just the key you use to associate yourself with an otherwise secret list of reservations.
Re:How I Became the Most Hated Person in San Francisco for a... by vitriolix on Friday July 04, 2014 @06:57PM (#7990484)
"Why on earth does a random restaurant deserve my real name?"

Maybe because some asshat is selling reservations without their permission or consent?

Re:How I Became the Most Hated Person in San Francisco for a... by mathattack on Monday July 07, 2014 @04:59PM (#8001376)
Isn't there a service that works with restaurants to allow them to sell their own reservations?
Re:How I Became the Most Hated Person in San Francisco for a... by onwardly on Thursday July 03, 2014 @11:02PM (#7987110)
The path forward, with benefits for restaurants and our entrepreneur here, is this: see if people are willing to pay for reservations at in-demand restaurants. If so- great. You clearly can't scale this without getting restaurants in on the game. So- partner with the restaurants. Charge $20 for a reservation. Give the restaurant $10. The restaurant made extra money, their no-show rate goes down, the diners already have skin in the game and are likely to spend more than average patrons, and our main man here makes some cash.

To me it seems like an innocent-enough experiment. If he wants to scale it, he'll have to make it work for restaurants too. And if he does- great! Margin-stressed restaurants get an extra source of income.

Re:How I Became the Most Hated Person in San Francisco for a... by Mikeb85 on Thursday July 03, 2014 @11:37PM (#7987217)
Restaurants manage supply/demand with menu prices. They manage reservation slots. Some take CC numbers.

By making fake reservations, he's not solving any problem, only creating a new one - he's artificially reducing the supply of reservations, and then charging for them.

Re:How I Became the Most Hated Person in San Francisco for a... by keehun on Thursday July 03, 2014 @10:02PM (#7986908)
I wrote a comment, too, but I agree with you that it's impossible (or seemingly so) to keep it from abuse and turning it into a demand tax (which the restaurant themselves should pocket).