Re:What Your Cell Phone Can't Tell the Police
by secabeen on Saturday June 28, 2014 @12:22AM
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This is why I generally like having features like GPS and Google location tracking turned on. The police, government and large corporations already have access to lousy data they will happily use to my detriment. If I have better data, I can use it to my benefit.
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Re:What Your Cell Phone Can't Tell the Police
by laggyluke on Saturday June 28, 2014 @04:20AM
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The problem is that you can spoof Google location tracking and other systems that actively report your location, but you can't (AFAIK) spoof your cellular tower data.
Re:What Your Cell Phone Can't Tell the Police
by keyme on Saturday June 28, 2014 @05:41AM
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I don't know the level of difficulty involved in the former, but "spoofing" cell data is possible by making the phone connect to sub-optimal towers. This would cost you service quality and battery life, but you'd "appear" elsewhere. This requires reversing and patching proprietary software, though.
Re:What Your Cell Phone Can't Tell the Police
by Tuna-Fish on Saturday June 28, 2014 @06:27AM
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The cell towers save the round trip time of each ping. This means that even if you connect to a far-away cell tower (which you can actually do just fine with a long metal cylinder and a kettle lid, no need to mess with software), they will be able to tell you were not near the tower in question.
Re:What Your Cell Phone Can't Tell the Police
by robryk on Saturday June 28, 2014 @07:21AM
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Is the RTT really dominated by lightspeed delays and not processing in the phone?
Re:What Your Cell Phone Can't Tell the Police
by Tuna-Fish on Saturday June 28, 2014 @07:32AM
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The processing in the phone can be reliably removed from the equation using simple statistical methods.
Re:What Your Cell Phone Can't Tell the Police
by keyme on Saturday June 28, 2014 @02:08PM
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Not unless a software patch on the phone introduces significant random variances into the RTT.
But yeah, there will be no pretty way to make the network "think" you are actually near another far away tower. I bet, however, that this is still possible using a vulnerability in the "ping" method itself, like not sending a random nonce for authentication of responses (so that I couldn't send the "pong" before receiving the ping).
Re:What Your Cell Phone Can't Tell the Police
by 13throwaway on Saturday June 28, 2014 @11:35AM
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Are there any phones that currently do this?