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Re:How good were you at college? by jey on Monday November 12, 2007 @10:25PM (#78997)
I don't see work as pain, school is pain. So far I have had the luxury of picking and choosing jobs so that I only take the interesting ones. Granted, maybe tomorrow everyone without a degree will be ignored regardless of what their actual qualifications are, but I'll take that chance.

I don't want to work for someone who places such an importance on having a degree anyway. I want to work for someone who hires me for my ability to do work, so I think demonstrating that ability to do work is more important than getting some piece of paper.

A Bachelor's degree is just a certificate of minimal competence anyway. A significant fraction of people with BS CS degrees can't even write simple programs. There's plenty of other ways to demonstrate minimal competence than to get an undergrad degree.

So, anyway -- why's it so important to have a degree? Everything they teach (and much more!) is available in the form of dead trees at my local library. I can party with my friends regardless of whether I'm in college or not, plus now I can afford awesome beer. What else is left?

Re:How good were you at college? by jey on Tuesday November 13, 2007 @02:21AM (#79105)
Addendum: I'm especially interested in hearing arguments for why I should finish my degree. I try not to be dogmatic about any views and am continually open to new data/ideas to refine my thoughts, so if you know of some compelling reasons, I'm all ears.
Re:How good were you at college? by jimbokun on Tuesday November 13, 2007 @12:41PM (#79357)
Maybe not fulfilling all of the requirements for a degree per se, but Phillip Greenspun finds a university a great source of entertainment.

"Taking advantage of my location in Cambridge, I have sat in on some classes at MIT in Atmospheric Physics, Biology, and Geology. I also teach a software engineering lab course at MIT every three or four semesters (textbook). But for me, the university has mostly been a source of entertainment; I have never looked to it as a source of income."

http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science (Appendix E)

So the compelling reason might not be that getting a degree will impress other people, but that learning is a fun and enriching experience. Yes, there are dead trees in libraries, but lectures, being able to ask questions to someone who is an expert in what you want to learn, and collaborating with peers who also want to learn are difficult to duplicate with only dead trees.

Re:How good were you at college? by jdvolz on Tuesday November 13, 2007 @11:39AM (#79312)
My reason is that my mom wants me to. I figure she did take care of me all those years, I might have to go back and get a degree once I'm well off.
Re:How good were you at college? by mnemonicsloth on Tuesday November 13, 2007 @03:47PM (#79488)
It's probably because you majored in CS.

CS is a brand-new discipline, which means it's in the process of generating a lot of shallow observations right now [1]. In another generation or two, some brilliant synthesizer will come along and produce a real theory. For now though, most of the stuff you learn as a CS undergrad (other than a few senior-level theory courses) should be obvious if you know how to program.

If you do go back, pick another discipline and study it like a computer scientist on vacation. Pick ONE powerful software package (python might be good, or maybe (sic) Mathematica) and use it to do ALL your assignments. Focus on simulation and visualization. You get to learn something real, and you get to do cool software work at the same time.

[1] Graph theory is almost 100 years old now, and we're starting to see the discipline collapse into a hard core. You still need a lot of loose terminology to get started, but after that there's a clear progression through the different concepts.

Re:How good were you at college? by jey on Tuesday November 13, 2007 @07:29PM (#79593)
Nope, it wasn't the CS that was the problem. I got good grades in my CS courses, and did even learn some new stuff. But yes, most of an undergrad CS program is pretty straightforward once you learn to code. The things that really tripped me up were the general ed courses, math courses, and any course that required a lot of non-coding homework. Basically, the way school worked was just not the way I worked.

By leaving college I was able to get rid of a humongous stressor in my life, and this new mental freedom let me pursue my interests and study what I liked. Now I've figured out how to actually sit down and study, and I could actually take an interest in all the GenEd courses that pissed me off so much in the past. I bet now I could go back and actually finish an undergrad degree with good grades... but now I need it even less than before; I've learned how to study on my own. If for some perverse reason I do end up going back, I'll probably study math. That's one area that I'm still figuring out how to self-study.

Re:How good were you at college? by hhm on Tuesday November 13, 2007 @10:21PM (#79633)
What is graph theory collapsing into? Can you point me to some info? (I'm starting studies as a mathematician)
Re:How good were you at college? by mnemonicsloth on Thursday November 15, 2007 @05:14PM (#80389)
Maybe it's better to say that a few related bodies of technique have been collapsing into a discipline called Graph Theory.

http://www.math.uni-hamburg.de/home/diestel/books/graph.theo...

Re:How good were you at college? by hhm on Thursday November 15, 2007 @07:28PM (#80442)
Thank you!