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Re: Judge Releases Information about Police Use of Stingray ... by kareemm on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @11:21PM (#7843859)
Perhaps you're forgetting that the police likely believed they were doing the right thing and attempting to bring a bad guy to justice.

It's not a popular sentiment on HN, but not all police officers are part of the shoot / oppress first, ask questions later school of policing.

Re: Judge Releases Information about Police Use of Stingray ... by pessimizer on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @11:36PM (#7843901)
>not all police officers are part of the shoot / oppress first, ask questions later school of policing.

But these were. You're creating a false dichotomy between cops who violate people's rights and cops who think that they're doing the right thing.

Re: Judge Releases Information about Police Use of Stingray ... by deciplex on Wednesday June 04, 2014 @12:14AM (#7843995)
Literally everyone believes they are doing the right thing. Everyone justifies their actions, at least to themselves.
Re: Judge Releases Information about Police Use of Stingray ... by scarecrowbob on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @11:53PM (#7843950)
"It's not a popular sentiment on HN, but not all police officers are part of the shoot / oppress first, ask questions later school of policing."

To be fair, even those of that school like believe "they [are] doing the right thing and attempting to bring a bad guy to justice."

Re: Judge Releases Information about Police Use of Stingray ... by ekianjo on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @11:34PM (#7843898)
> the police likely believed they were doing the right thing

You mean, just like TSA officers who believe that X-raying everyone who boards a plane is the right thing if we want to catch these darn terrorists?

Re: Judge Releases Information about Police Use of Stingray ... by bediger4000 on Wednesday June 04, 2014 @09:52AM (#7845513)
Law enforcement officers, of all people, should know and respect The Law, shouldn't they? I mean, "ignorance of the law is no excuse", and they are doing a special job which requires special knowledge, skills and care. So, I think that we can assume they knew they weren't doing "the right thing". Stingrays are pretty clearly against the spirit of American Democracy and Law Enforcement, as traditionally held.

Beyond that, the ends rarely justify the means, even legally. There are supposed to be limits to how the police find stuff out. See 4th Amendment. Traditional sense of fair play, decency, etc.

Re: Judge Releases Information about Police Use of Stingray ... by dragonwriter on Wednesday June 04, 2014 @02:46PM (#7847358)
> Beyond that, the ends rarely justify the means, even legally.

The ends often justifies the means, even legally, its just that the cases where the proposition that the means used is justified by the ends served isn't controversial don't get any attention, in much the same way that you never see news stories of the form "Today, the following areas had no major earthquakes..."