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Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by pjmlp on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @10:26AM (#7840366)
I see Objective-C been shown the door if Swift is successful, it just needs a few iOS and OS X releases, with C left around for the UNIX layer.

Lets say around XCode version 10 gets released.

Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by weegee101 on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @11:10AM (#7840642)
That is extremely unlikely. Enough so that I would bet money on it.

Swift is targeted at the largest user base of the Obj-C language, the iOS developers. Obj-C will be around for a long time both for legacy purposes and because Swift doesn't interop with K&R C (unless that code has an Obj-C wrapper, like CoreFoundation), and C++ code. Since both Swift and Obj-C support using Cocoa libraries, any API added to Cocoa will be usable by both, but Cocoa is only one of many libraries in the Macintosh ecosystem.

Swift will become a replacement for the development the vast majority of people do, but that doesn't mean that Obj-C is going away. Apple has done nothing to indicate so; they've really been stressing the point that Swift is intended as a new tool to work along side your old one (Obj-C).

Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by pjmlp on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @11:21AM (#7840708)
I remember Apple representatives promising to a room full of CERN researchers that the JavaBridge wasn't going away and how Java was a first class language for Mac OS X development.
Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by weegee101 on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @11:30AM (#7840774)
This is not even remotely similar to that situation. Obj-C is far more important & integrated than I think you realize.
Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by pjmlp on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @12:35PM (#7841197)
I know Objective-C since 1999, when I had to port some software from NeXT to Windows, so I do know a few things about it.

From my point of view, many will jump to Swift if given the chance.

Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by gress on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @03:00PM (#7842106)
You are misunderstanding - this isn't about which is better. Almost all new application code will be written in Swif, but swift doesn't bridge between C and the Swift/obj-c runtime, so Objective-C will continue to be required for writing the glue layer.
Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by pjmlp on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @03:52PM (#7842341)
Yes it does.

https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documenta...

Additionally, this is just version 1.0. So nothing rules out that if Apple sees the language being widely adopted, other improvements in the FFI area aren't made.

Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by gress on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @07:47PM (#7843349)
I stand corrected, and your argument holds, however there is a great deal of objective-c code out there, so it will take a long time to go away.
Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by weegee101 on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @01:44PM (#7841654)
Yes, and I think people should head to Swift if it fits their needs. That is very different from Objective-C losing support however. Objective-C is not going away.
Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by scott_karana on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @07:09PM (#7843240)
How many people actually wrote Cocoa apps in Java?

The only Java apps of the era that I remember used non-native UIs, and were painful.

Whereas I'd be shocked if Swift wasn't adopted wholesale by iOS developers.

Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by pjmlp on Wednesday June 04, 2014 @02:59AM (#7844340)
This is not about the present.

Rather back when Mac OS X 10.0 was being released and Apple was unsure if developers would be willing to write Objective-C code.

They created their own JVM, with Objective-C runtime support (JavaBridge) and let the developers choose.

At the same time, Apple representatives did sessions at UNIX heavy user groups, like CERN, where they sold Mac OS X as a better BSD, and Java as first class language was part of the feature list.

As they saw developers were comfortable adopting Objective-C in their toolchains, the JavaBridge was dropped.

Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by cliveowen on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @12:01PM (#7840958)
"C left around for the UNIX layer"

BSD is implemented in C, so it's not left around, it's the foundation of the system. The syscalls at the base level (read(), write(), socket(), fork(), etc,) are implemented in C and so are the tools that are used by virtually every programming language at some level. C is the standard upon which several abstractions are made, not just another programming language.

Re:Swift, the new way to build iOS Apps. Here's how by pjmlp on Tuesday June 03, 2014 @12:33PM (#7841190)
Oh I hit a nerve.

UNIX and C are symbiotic, so any UNIX system requires C, there is no way around it.

However everything else outside what POSIX requires can be done, and should be, in a more secure and productive language.