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Re:Why Atom Can’t Replace Vim – Learning the lesson of vi by agumonkey on Sunday June 01, 2014 @06:44AM (#7828753)
It seems backward to me.

I want to delete a domain object (in the context of text, most objects are chars, words, sentences, paragraphs). So I tell the system delete ('d'), then what I want to delete, almost declarative (the what).

Emacs requires to explicitely tell him to create two pieces of data (begin and end marks) then ask for deletion (~the how).

Quantitatively it's also heavier, since it's a 2 keystrokes in vi, and 3 in emacs.

Re:Why Atom Can’t Replace Vim – Learning the lesson of vi by lispm on Sunday June 01, 2014 @08:17AM (#7828914)
If you have used a Lisp Machine with something like Zmacs for an extended time, then one often manipulates with the mouse. Same sequence: mark, execute. For some things there is also modifier-click on something visual which creates a region.

Thus the whole select the object, execute sequence is the same:

* emacs keystrokes

* mouse manipulation

* Lisp functions: get the arguments, execute a function

Thus it is a very consistent model.

Re:Why Atom Can’t Replace Vim – Learning the lesson of vi by agumonkey on Sunday June 01, 2014 @08:50AM (#7828975)
Unfortunately I never had such pleasure. I understand a little more the appeal to have consistency between mouse and keyboard operations.

Maybe I'm more a schemer than a lisper then because even though the function call protocol is eval args, eval body, one of the nicest thing about lisps is higher order functions. Vi feels exactly like this; a move is an abstract operation that can live on its own, or be passed to another abstract operation to be combined.

To the extreme it reminds me of point-free programming where you dont even pass ~toplevel arguments, you just accumulate hof.

Re:Why Atom Can’t Replace Vim – Learning the lesson of vi by __david__ on Sunday June 01, 2014 @03:37PM (#7830348)
> It seems backward to me.

That's just unfamiliarity. Spanish initially seemed backwards to me because they say "casa blanca" and not "white house", but you get used to it.

Re:Why Atom Can’t Replace Vim – Learning the lesson of vi by agumonkey on Sunday June 01, 2014 @05:21PM (#7830725)
I've used all sorts of user interaction schemes, I don't think that's habit anymore.

It's an unnecessary explicit operative order. Like saying writing assembly code is just like C backwards, you'll get used to write callee saved arguments on the stack.