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Re:After Google bought Nest, it removed company’s biggest co... by BorisMelnik on Thursday May 29, 2014 @11:38PM (#7820139)
Thank you Matt. Agree, even a quick look from a not-so savvy SEO at their backlink anchor text you can see that they were intentionally building a ton of links.

I think the only thing that made it a tad fishy was the timing. It just seemed like the acquisition happened, then the penalty tight after.

Re:After Google bought Nest, it removed company’s biggest co... by Matt_Cutts on Thursday May 29, 2014 @11:53PM (#7820177)
The strange thing to me is that when we took action, our notice told Vivint it was for unnatural/spammy links to their site. It's really not hard to find these spammy posts, so I'm not sure where the disconnect happened.

Regarding timing, Blekko did a neat site called http://www.spamclock.com/ that claims a million spam pages are created every hour. It's safe to assume that Google algorithmic + manual protections against spam have to operate at that scale. As Del Harvey pointed out in a recent TED talk at http://blog.ted.com/2014/03/19/how-to-keep-240-million-twitt... , "[At Twitter], a one-in-a-million chance happens 500 times a day."

And since Google operates on an even bigger scale than the volume of daily tweets, you end up with these sort of occurrences. For example, it's virtually guaranteed that some website's rankings went up today, and they happened to start using AdWords today. Likewise, it's virtually guaranteed that some website's rankings dropped today, and they happened to start using AdWords today. There's no causality there--buying AdWords doesn't help your Google ranking--but to that particular website, it might look like causality even though it's just the law of large numbers. I think the logical fallacy is called "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc"?

Re:After Google bought Nest, it removed company’s biggest co... by anigbrowl on Friday May 30, 2014 @01:31AM (#7820440)
The strange thing to me is that when we took action, our notice told Vivint it was for unnatural/spammy links to their site.

Yeah, but the perception of a conspiracy is the price you pay for handwavey/non-specific guidance about what's wrong. If your notices are not specific, then it's hard for people to know definitively whether or not they are in compliance. The flip side of that, of course, is that if you are fully specific then bad actors will exploit that in order to game the system. But that's the price you pay for ubiquity. Taking your power for granted may backfire on you if a regulatory agency or a jury decides you are not as objective as you believe yourselves to be. Intent is less important than how it manifests from the perspective of a disinterested bystander.

Re:After Google bought Nest, it removed company’s biggest co... by sxtxixtxcxh on Friday May 30, 2014 @12:59PM (#7822825)
> our notice told Vivint it was for unnatural/spammy links to their site. It's really not hard to find these spammy posts, so I'm not sure where the disconnect happened.

the disconnect probably happened because you feel that telling people through an internal tool is adequate.

Re:After Google bought Nest, it removed company’s biggest co... by kapkapkap on Friday May 30, 2014 @02:16AM (#7820520)
> our notice told Vivint it was for unnatural/spammy links to their site. It's really not hard to find these spammy posts.

Why dont you simply include these links in your notice, so that there is no ambiguity?

Re:After Google bought Nest, it removed company’s biggest co... by joenathan on Friday May 30, 2014 @02:45AM (#7820587)
Because then spammers would become more effective at not being caught.
Re:After Google bought Nest, it removed company’s biggest co... by danso on Thursday May 29, 2014 @11:52PM (#7820172)
In defense of the OP, the Google spam-punishing procedure is not purely objective or run as an unsupervised automation...it seems that Rap Genius would not have even been discovered had a blogger not made a relatively innocuous inquiry about RG's very public solicitations...which was then upvoted to the top of HN and presumably to Cutts' attention. And then after RG was reinstated, there were complaints that had it not been such a high-profile startup, the Google team would not have reinstated it so quickly (but in the defense of RG, they described and released the source code to the program they used to hunt down the bad links, which made it clear that RG handled the process in a way more efficiently than most other companies might have).

So Google's banhammer is wielded by humans with biases...that much is clear...but do we really know the order of cause-and-effect here? Perhaps this suspicious timing was an inadvertent screwup of Vivint's...that is, right after Google's acquisition of Nest, someone on Vivint's marketing team thought, "Oh shit, better step up our back-link game"...and then took it to a level that triggered a Google investigation. That chain of events could also explain the coincidental timing...and also could mean that both Cutts and Vivint's CEO are both telling the honest truth, as far as they know (not all CEOs are privy to the actual workings and details of their marketing teams)

Re:After Google bought Nest, it removed company’s biggest co... by Matt_Cutts on Friday May 30, 2014 @12:04AM (#7820215)
In this case, we started dissecting this particular spammy guest blog posting network in November of 2013, and Google didn't acquire of Nest until January of 2014. So Vivint was link spamming (and was caught by the webspam team for spamming) before Google even acquired Nest.
Re:After Google bought Nest, it removed company’s biggest co... by rasz_pl on Friday May 30, 2014 @11:13PM (#7825123)
So in other words you got interested in Nest competition in the middle of Google-Nest acquisition negotiations?
Re:After Google bought Nest, it removed company’s biggest co... by gregr401 on Friday May 30, 2014 @12:57AM (#7820346)
Unless details of when the due-diligence occurred for the purchase, this point is really moot. I hardly doubt your board decided to drop a cool 3.2B the night before the Nest announcement.
Re:After Google bought Nest, it removed company’s biggest co... by skj on Friday May 30, 2014 @07:35AM (#7821197)
They certainly didn't tell the eng staff about it until then.