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Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by rdtsc on Sunday May 25, 2014 @09:56PM (#7798356)
> I'd have nothing but respect, but this is not what these people are about.

Presumably if they or their family members have struggled with alcoholism they wouldn't tell some stranger at a tech conference about it right after finishing talking about the latest trends in REST-ful API design.

Imagine the exchange.

* "-Yeah hateoas is totally not worth it, we tried it and it was just a pain to implement without seeing any benefits"

* "-Let me get buy you a beer"

* "-Nah, my father was an alcoholic who beat my mom and me growing up, he then left and killed himself. So yeah, I'll just pass".

* "-......<silence>....Yeah, cool, I'll just move over there to meet some friends. Nice talking to you."

Sometimes you won't know the true reason, you'll just hear a socially acceptable light cover. So don't always assume they are just prudish and conservative.

And well, actually there are a lot of people who just don't enjoy drinking. You know like there are some that don't enjoy pizza. They just don't. They like hamburgers better, always.

Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by dethstar on Sunday May 25, 2014 @09:59PM (#7798360)
As someone who drinks but gets to meet a lot of 'straight edge' people since I get involved in the punk scene and have been for quite a while. You'll be surprised how interesting, adventurous and far from conservative some of these people who don't drink or do drugs are.

In fact some of these people would argue that is you the one that's boring, the one that needs of external ideas because you can not come up with them your own, or that you're not brave enough to go in adventures or doing what you call take a risk if it wasn't for the booze/drugs.

Here's some lyrics from "Straight Edge" by Minor Threat * I'm a person just like you But I've got better things to do Than sit around and fuck my head Hang out with the living dead Snort white shit up my nose Pass out at the shows I don't even think about speed That's something I just don't need

Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by cheetos on Sunday May 25, 2014 @10:10PM (#7798383)
Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Do you not see the issue with using a single data point about a person to judge them as closed-minded? Do you not see how that in itself is much more closed-minded?

I smoke pot every day. I've tried any natural hallucinogen I can find, multiple times. I'm a raging liberal. I'm a part-time cook that almost certainly could talk and cook circles around you when it comes to cuisine. I promise you I'm very adventurous.

But I often refuse alcohol during the week, and almost always in professional settings. Why?

1. Alcohol makes me excessively nauseous 2. Alcohol makes me excessively tired 3. Being nauseous and tired ruins my day 4. I don't like the implication that in order to be part of a professional setting I should be expected to drink alcohol

And that's it. None of the nonsense reasons you included above. Hopefully at your next conference you'll lose the entitled attitude, realize you know nothing about these people, and try to talk to them whether they drink or not. Or hopefully they'll just be able to avoid you and enjoy a conservation with someone who has a real understanding of people.

Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by ddellacosta on Sunday May 25, 2014 @10:00PM (#7798363)
If someone told me they used to be an alcoholic and completely quit alcohol, I'd have nothing but respect, but this is not what these people are about.

What is the problem with people deciding not to drink for philosophical, religious, psychological or other reasons? While I embrace the philosophy "try anything once," I have a number of friends who don't drink for a variety of reasons and it doesn't impede my ability to enjoy their company or respect them as people. Their motivations are different from mine, and that's okay.

Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by hrktb on Monday May 26, 2014 @01:34AM (#7798831)
At this point it's like beating a dead horse, but it's so strange to trust people having an history of severe alcohol abuse in the past, but distrust people that would preemptively stop themself from drinking knowing they'd go the wrong way.
Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by PhasmaFelis on Sunday May 25, 2014 @10:11PM (#7798384)
One of the best coders it's ever been my pleasure to work with is a strict teetotaler and is, in every respect, the opposite of your stupid stereotypes.

You accuse others of being "conservative" and then you proudly mistrust anyone who isn't just like you. Do you see the irony?

I'm a moderate drinker myself, BTW, before you start thinking you're being dogpiled by prohibitionists. I try to judge people on their ability and character, not irrelevant window-dressing.

Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by freditup on Sunday May 25, 2014 @10:00PM (#7798365)
Being conservative with alcohol doesn't reasonably imply being conservative with everything else in life. Plus, alcohol does have many realistic potential dangers - so being somewhat cautious is appropriate.
Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by onewaystreet on Sunday May 25, 2014 @09:52PM (#7798345)
You're making a lot of assumptions. There are a lot of people that just don't like the taste of alcohol. (Specifically beer).
Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by saraid216 on Monday May 26, 2014 @03:26AM (#7799009)
This is my case, and it's actually frustrating for me. I'm not interested enough to force myself to acclimate, the way most people would have done in college due to peer pressure. So I'm stuck with either being the entertaining freak when coworkers go out for a beer, or being anti-social.

The irony of being a freakish social outcast amidst a group of nerds is not lost on me.

Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by mattgreenrocks on Monday May 26, 2014 @06:59AM (#7799297)
I started on cocktails and eventually found craft beer I like. It takes time.

But, yeah, I've been the non drinker. People don't know what to do with you, and they get annoyed. They project things onto you (like judgment), and don't even try to understand your motivations. It sucks. Groupthink is powerful and pervasive, and nerds have no problem adopting it if it suits them.

Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by hvs on Sunday May 25, 2014 @10:00PM (#7798364)
Wow. You are an idiot.
Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by dang on Monday May 26, 2014 @12:26AM (#7798694)
Please don't. Comments like this have no place on HN, regardless of how idiotic someone else's may be.

We ban people for this kind of thing when they don't have a history as a positive contributor. Your history seems excellent, though, so hopefully the favored penalty here—extremely mild admonishment—will do the trick.

On another note, I'm happy to report that many users flagged this comment. That is a good use of comment flagging. (When you think a comment has no place on HN, you can flag it by clicking on "link" to go to the item page for that comment, and then "flag". We monitor those flags and take action based on them.)

Re:Alcohol as a social technology to check the trustworthine... by hvs on Wednesday May 28, 2014 @08:05PM (#7813826)
I appreciate this and your response. I think I was having a bad day at the time. Regardless, I agree that my comment was unhelpful and didn't add to the discussion.