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Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by rdtsc on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @09:00PM (#7776164)
There is an interesting pattern here I think.

Before the general context and behavior of big companies was very serious. You know you had your GE, IBM, Ford, I don't know P&G, big serious companies that wear ties and white shirts. And you make a parody of them and becomes kind of obvious. Oh look "Big Brother Inside" logo for Intel. Ok clearly a parody.

However, I feel, there is this movement toward lightheartedness and humor in the new style of PR. Google is the prototypical company here. Bright childish colors. "Oh look the rainbow! Blue, green, red colorful beach balls in every office!". That was their initial image. "We are just big kids playing and building cool stuff". Or say, April 1st comes, and here is Google making fun of their products. Releasing something like "Google Fiber over Toilet Plumbing" (get it, get it, fiber, toilet, ..., make sure to tweet it!). Something like that. So that is all jolly good, except that by using lightheartedness and parody as a standard PR tool, now it is not easily differentiated from other parody out there. Maybe environmentalists make a site about Google's Fiber Toilet Plumbing. Now it is kind of harder to tell the difference.

Anyway, this is too much drivel. Not defending or taking sides, just pointing out what seems like an interesting pattern developing.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by scrollaway on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @01:33AM (#7776842)
Leave it to internet companies to turn a fun day with small hidden easter eggs into a day of cringeworthy bad jokes plastered all over the web.

Ten aprils fools. That's ten days. It took ten days to run a perfectly fun day into a day where a lot of people would rather stay to listen to Rush Limbaugh read the phonebook than go on any website, at any point of the day.

I think it's inherently impossible for an megaentity existing purely for monetary gain to seem lighthearted and human. I wish they'd stop trying.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by TheMagicHorsey on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @08:55PM (#7776138)
A parody does not confuse the viewer as to the source of goods and services. In a parody, it is clear that the goods or services, or speech, are from a different source than the original.

If one makes a product as a "parody" and pretends to be the original source, while acting purposely foolishly, I don't think that would be defensible.

For instance, if you are opposed to people eating meat sold by Foster Farms, then making deliberately disgusting meat, and handing it to pedestrians in a city, while making fun of meat, does not constitute parody of Foster Farms. It damages the brand of the original.

A parody would be using Google's names and symbols in some transformative action that is clearly not sourced from Google.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by couchand on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @10:29PM (#7776405)
To be clear, I'm pretty sure that Peng! wasn't actually selling drones, insurance or hugs. There are no goods or services. They were not making a product.

So to adjust your example, if a group had a political complaint against Foster Farms and made a website claiming to sell obviously foul products, that would be a rich example of parody. "Damaging the brand" is pretty much the goal in an action like this.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by TheMagicHorsey on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @01:23AM (#7776818)
Lets think about this for a moment. Is it a legitimate action to pretend to be another party and to damage their brand? What if I take to the streets to pretend to be you, to damage the brand of your start up? What if I defame minorities, release foolish and buggy products, and plaster the pseudo-wares with racist pronouncements? Is it enough for me to say that I disagree with you, and that my intentions are parody, for such action to be pardonable?

I don't think pretending to be another entity should ever be permissible. The integrity of communications should not be compromised. Nor is that the intention of the parody-based fair use principles in IP law. The intention of the parody exception to liability is to give artists an opportunity to make fun of the high and mighty. Not to pretend to be them.

If we allow fraudulent messaging to come under the umbrella of parody protection, then this same exception will be abused by parties to malign their competitors. It will be difficult for consumers to know or trust the source of messaging, goods, or services.

It is no excuse to say no goods or services were actually produced, because to advertise a shitty bundle of goods in the name of another is enough to cast doubt on the good sense of that other.

A proper parody makes no pretense of its source. It proudly proclaims itself a form of protest. It doesn't dissemble and try to corrupt the flow of information/communication in commerce.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by couchand on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @01:35AM (#7776846)
I wonder if you looked at the site? It's pretty evident that it's a form of protest and not some racist sockpuppet rant, competitor's defamation or the like. For instance:

While we cannot always protect information about you, we can help protect you. Google Trust offers you the world's first model for data insurance.

It's completely free, you pay with your data. The more Google products you use, the higher your insurance payout will be in case of data misuse through secret service or private criminals. Your policy will be automatically offered to you, based on our assessment of your risk.

If that's not "making fun of the high and mighty" I don't know what is.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by kgarten on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @04:29AM (#7777168)
Again I don't agree with your very narrow definition of parody. Take http://arcticready.com (from the "Yes Men"). For me, it's a parody criticizing shell oil.

You can also read more here: http://www.greenpeace.org/new-zealand/en/blog/shellfail-insi...

In my opinion this clearly classifies as parody.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by TheMagicHorsey on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @11:54AM (#7778894)
One should think of the consequence of a rule in all cases, not just when the rule is applied to defend those that mock those you oppose.

Imagine the same standards being applied when someone is pretending to be you and maligning your name in public with foolish declarations.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by kgarten on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @12:25PM (#7779090)
Yes of course, I do. Yet, again, I cannot agree with your statement. First, I neither "oppose" Shell nor Google (actually I think Google is a pretty cool company). Still, I find the parody funny and it raises some interesting questions.

Next, in the examples not an individual is "impersonated" but a faceless, anonymous corporation. I would have way more problems with the parody if an individual (independent to if I like them or not) would be impersonated or ridiculed.

If somebody makes similar fun of my employer, I would not mind at all.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by kgarten on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @09:20PM (#7776228)
I don't agree. The strength of some parodies or hoaxes is that you use the companies name, this is important to make people think (I believe). Under your definition groups like "The Yes Men" would not be considered parody. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yes_Men

I don't want to go into the example you brought up with Foster Farms, you should realize that this comparison is pretty much flawed.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by SeanLuke on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @09:40PM (#7776288)
> Under your definition groups like "The Yes Men" would not be considered parody. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yes_Men

With a few exceptions, The Yes Men do not do parody. Hoaxes and parody are quite different things.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by kgarten on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @04:58AM (#7777231)
see the comment above: I would classify Adbusters also as parody (spoof). Depends on your definition. https://www.adbusters.org/spoofads
Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by TheMagicHorsey on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @01:27AM (#7776824)
It is not required to disguise yourself as another to make people think.

Parodies in the past did not depend on fooling people as to the source of words. It is enough to conjure up a thought of the parties parodied, through use of similar symbols/words/methods. One doesn't have to actually pretend to be them in an exact way for parody to hit its mark. Nor in the past have I seen great parodies do this.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by kgarten on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @04:57AM (#7777228)
It depends on the type of parody. Your definition seems to stick to literature parody only. If you extend the definition over literature and text, I think it's important to use the same visuals and pretend to be the company or individual ... see also: https://www.adbusters.org/spoofads (they classify for me also as parody and they are spoofs, pretending to be the original source). A parody is often also called spoof, which in this case fits better I think.
Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by readme on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @11:06PM (#7776508)
Damn, I just think creating a domain name like: trademark1-partnerstrademark.com such as google-nest.com is trademark infringement and that the eff is wrong. I am sure I'm not alone in this.

The content itself is fine (there's an archive.org link below). It's the domain I suspect they had a problem with.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by yohui on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @08:15PM (#7781490)
Someone elsewhere posted an image of the actual Google email: https://imgur.com/Km8tYbH

Is the letter legit? It claims the Google Nest parody went so far as to create fake Google employee profiles on social networking sites, used false Whois info (listing Google as the registrant and contact), and featured a (working) Google "Sign In" button.

The last one is the most concerning (and confirmed by mirror sites, e.g. http://google-nest.codewing.de/ ). That's more like what I'd expect from a phishing site; a parody page should have no need for it.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by dartonw on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @12:51AM (#7776754)
This brings to mind another silly requirement for parody in the Google ecosystem, requiring "(Parody)" after an account name. Consider the case of Jesus H. Christ on G+: http://goo.gl/6UEsEj.
Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by asadlionpk on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @02:21AM (#7776940)
The included pdf has this link cited: http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2007/01/proceed_and_pe...

Pretty interesting and funny.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by Sir_Cmpwn on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @08:48PM (#7776113)
Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by josephschmoe on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @08:57PM (#7776150)
I actually want a Google Bee. That sounds great.
Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by coldcode on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @11:16PM (#7776527)
Don't Be Evil should imply Have A Sense Of Humor.
Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by couchand on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @01:07AM (#7776780)
I'm pretty sure by now they've dropped the "Don't".
Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by ASneakyFox on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @04:24AM (#7777154)
It was actually transferred to dont have a sense of humor.
Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by hatelibs on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @08:05PM (#7775953)
People did get confused by the original site, see HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7710205

Also don't trademarks get forfeited if you don't enforce them? there are at least 2 of them being misused in this instance.

Edit: not quite sure why my comment is getting downvoted.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by yew on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @08:43PM (#7776091)
Parody is a specific legal defense against trademark infringement. The idea that trademark holders are always required to 'defend' their trademark regardless of context is simply false.

Given that the use here is noncommercial (Peng! is not selling a product in Google's area of business), it's almost certainly the case that Google is under no obligation to engage in any legal action. Even commercial parody can be protected, though the criteria are somewhat more complex.

Interestingly, it's easier to legally parody stronger trademarks because of public recognition of the parody - see Louis Vuitton v Haute Diggity Dog for an example. Google certainly qualifies as a strong trademark, although the parody name here isn't as memorable as 'Chewy Vuiton'.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by om2 on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @08:55PM (#7776140)
It can still count as parody even if some people got genuinely confused. Consider that some people get fooled by articles from The Onion.
Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by wutbrodo on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @12:16PM (#7779042)
A more apt comparison would be if someone was fooled by an Onion article on the domain http://www.cnn-news.com that had CNN at the top of the page. I'd imagine the vast majority of people would simply assume that was CNN.
Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by ateeqs on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @11:22PM (#7776540)
Exactly. I still remember this Onion article from a few years back being confused as actual news.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/28/world/iran-news-agency-duped/

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by Mithaldu on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @08:29PM (#7776045)
> not quite sure why my comment is getting downvoted.

Kneejerk responses.

You're entirely right that Google at least has to legally take some action, as otherwise others can point at the precedent when doing actual attacks on Google trademarks.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by couchand on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @10:40PM (#7776432)
It's worth pointing out that this view, while common, is a misconception. IANAL, but as I understand it a company need only address blatant, public infringement. If it could be reasonably argued that this is a parody (and that can at least be argued, even if you disagree), it wouldn't be considered for the purposes of abandoned trademarks.

And a minor point - "precedent" is commonly used to mean simply "that which came before" but it has a very specific legal definition (generally just decisions issued by a court) that doesn't apply here.

Re:Dear Google: Parody Is Not Trademark Infringement by MartinCron on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @10:59PM (#7776486)
Has anyone ever provided an example of a brand losing its trademark status for not aggressively addressing minor/maybe/kind-of/sort-of infringement? It seems like a scary story designed to keep IP lawyers fully employed.