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Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by mark_l_watson on Saturday May 17, 2014 @09:08AM (#7760012)
This is one of Richard's recurring topics, and I agree with matt__rose and higherpurpose that there is some irony since China, along with a few other countries like the USA, Iran, Russia, could do with a more free and open internet. The Internet should be basic infrastructure, inexpensive, and very secure. That is the goal.

I know I have the minority opinion, but I believe that a FSF world is the way go, long term. I think that tax jurisdictions that promote all kinds of open source, and an unfettered Internet will have long term advantages.

Edit: typo

Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by dengnan on Saturday May 17, 2014 @09:38AM (#7760080)
free/open Internet in China? No way!

- You do not have choice of service providers. All providers are government department and there's nearly no competition.

- Try to use Google in China, lots of fun!

- Try to access any popular web site in China like Youtube, facebook, etc. Good luck.

- If you say something bad about the government on Internet, you may have the risk of being kidnapped by some unknown person and thrown into some unknown mountain area. (No kidding, one of my friend had this experience.)

Specific to RMS: I'm the translator of Free as in Freedom (Chinese edition.) Until now, I have no idea if the word "free" (自由) could appear in the title when we publish it.

Edit 1: grammar

Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by schoen on Saturday May 17, 2014 @12:03PM (#7760499)
I think the parent commenter was agreeing with you. The English idiom "could do with" (which I think is somewhat uncommon in California, where I live) means something like "could benefit from", "still needs", or "would like". It suggests that someone doesn't yet have the thing that they "could do with", but that it would be good if they did, at least from the speaker's perspective.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/could_do_with

Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by dengnan on Saturday May 17, 2014 @02:09PM (#7760762)
Thank you! I didn't know thus expression before. (I can always learn a lot from HN.) Upvote for the Wikipedia link.
Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by mark_l_watson on Saturday May 17, 2014 @09:53AM (#7760114)
Thanks for your comment. I did overstep in making my comparison, and I appreciate the feedback.

I desire a highly secure and unfettered Internet, and I just get frustrated by countries, and companies, that get in the way of achieving this goal.

Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by tiatia on Saturday May 17, 2014 @10:42AM (#7760246)
"- Try to access any popular web site in China like Youtube, facebook, etc. Good luck."

Try to access the internet in China. Good luck! (But Baidu always works)

Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by sillysaurus3 on Saturday May 17, 2014 @12:18PM (#7760531)
If you say something bad about the government on Internet, you may have the risk of being kidnapped by some unknown person and thrown into some unknown mountain area. (No kidding, one of my friend had this experience.)

Would you elaborate? This is very interesting. How did they get out of that situation?

Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by est on Saturday May 17, 2014 @10:33AM (#7760217)
Yes because the interwebz is all about the Web.

Like one said, the Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it

Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by gavinpc on Saturday May 17, 2014 @09:42AM (#7760088)
> I believe that a FSF world is the way go, long term. I think that tax jurisdictions that promote all kinds of open source

Yes, only FSF doesn't use the term "open source," except to disavow it.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.htm...

Another explanation of this is included in the "rider" that someone linked earlier this week:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7754412

Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by mark_l_watson on Saturday May 17, 2014 @09:57AM (#7760128)
Gavin, I understand the FSF's position. Even though I am actually wearing a FSF thirty today, I disagree with their stance that other open source license are not useful. Really, it is up to creators to license code the way they want to.
Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by vezzy-fnord on Saturday May 17, 2014 @10:23AM (#7760190)
They don't have any such position, at least not so absolutist. In fact, that was the whole point behind LGPL, to bridge the gap between GPL and BSD licensing. RMS also approved of the Ogg Vorbis library using the BSD License.

They do make exceptions when there is strategic sense.

Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by chimeracoder on Saturday May 17, 2014 @11:20AM (#7760364)
> I disagree with their stance that other open source license are not useful

There are two inaccuracies with this statement:

1) The FSF does not disapprove of the use of non-copyleft free licenses. They encourage the GPL, but as pointed out below, they themselves have both released code under other licenses and approved of the use of other licenses.

2) You seem to have missed gavinpc's point, which is that the FSF is the Free Software Foundation, not the "Open Source Software Foundation". They don't say that "other open source licenses" aren't useful, because they don't refer to their own licenses as "open source" licenses. They dislike the term "open source" and don't use it themselves.

Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by rockymeza on Saturday May 17, 2014 @09:30AM (#7760063)
Please try using the Internet from China before you put it in the same sentence as the Internet in the USA.
Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by mark_l_watson on Saturday May 17, 2014 @09:11AM (#7760018)
BTW, by "all kinds of open source" I meant to say that there are good use cases for GPL, Apache, etc. licenses, depending on the projects and the desires of the creators.
Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday May 17, 2014 @09:20AM (#7760039)
The USA has a great firewall like china, Russia, and Iran? Well, til (or you could be exaggerating a connection between the USA and Chinese Internet, which would be very much BS).
Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by sam11 on Saturday May 17, 2014 @11:11AM (#7760335)
I know I have the minority opinion

Is that really the case on Hacker News? I often feel like a rebel outcast here for thinking that technology being proprietary is a desirable thing.

Re:Richard Stallman – "Free Software and Your Freedom" (Beij... by loup-vaillant on Saturday May 17, 2014 @12:00PM (#7760488)
Now that's interesting. Could you lay out, or point to, some arguments?