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Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by dang on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:22AM (#26871320)
The submitted URL has long since broken but you can see the page as it was by going to https://web.archive.org/web/20071109094843/http://ycombinato....
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by pg on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @05:27PM (#77175)
Ironically, I got banned by noprocrast upon submitting this, because I had maxvisit set to 1 to test it.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by nostrademons on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @05:41PM (#77181)
This is wonderful. I'm off to limit my visits to daily, or maybe twice-daily if I login once in the morning and once at night.

Will this kick you off in the middle of writing a comment? That's my one qualm about it - that I'll start writing a response and then won't be able to submit it because maxvisit has timed out. Maybe exempt the comment-posting URL (it should block you from further reloads afterwards, though)?

Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by pg on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:30PM (#77209)
Will this kick you off in the middle of writing a comment?

No, it doesn't apply till the server tries to generate the page following the submission. If you want to know what it's like, just set maxvisit to 1 and try it.

Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by nanijoe on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:35PM (#77211)
This has to be the first time in the history of the internet that a website makes provision for you not to waste your time on that same website. Good job guys!!
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by Alex3917 on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @11:59PM (#77360)
If you Google for "self-exclusion tools" there is a standard that most of the mainstream gambling sites implement. I did a quick search on ProQuest and JSTOR, but I couldn't find any information about their efficacy.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by tlrobinson on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @11:06PM (#77338)
My psych major friend is working on a theory that procrastinators have naturally low levels of endorphins, so they subconsciously use the stress of procrastination to raise those levels.

I thought that was a pretty fascinating theory.

Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by voidstar on Friday November 09, 2007 @07:20AM (#77861)
I'd heard that procrastinators were perfectionists, and so all of their tasks loom like enormous projects because they envision all the thousands of tiny details they'd have to get just right, while normal people just have this rough idea of the task that doesn't look so hard. So then the procrastinators put it off because they just don't feel like taking on an enormous project. Which is funny, because in saying this I'm reminded of pg's essay that talked about starting with easy small projects rather than big earthshattering ones, because you'll never actually finish those.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by kirse on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:55PM (#77952)
I generally procrastinate because I simply don't want to do the task, not sure if that's the case for anyone else...
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by foodawg on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @05:57PM (#77188)
Awesome addition, I'm sure I'll get around to turning on noprocrast sometime. ;)
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by dcurtis on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @08:38PM (#77262)
This is probably the least user friendly feature implementation I have ever seen.

Why not call it something better than "noprocrast?" If I didn't read that news post, I would be completely confused as to what it does or what the other two values do.

It's a cool idea/feature, just implemented very, very badly.

Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by dood on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @09:52PM (#77299)
Just having a little link to the news post next to the noprocrast dropdown would pretty much clear this up.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by dcurtis on Thursday November 08, 2007 @12:38AM (#77371)
That doesn't really solve the usability problem, it just cures the symptom.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by euccastro on Friday November 09, 2007 @03:49AM (#77850)
FWIW,

When I find something is distracting me from work really bad, I overindulge until it wears off, rather than trying to limit it. But even if I was trying to limit my news.yc intake, this wouldn't work for me.

Normally, I open all links I'm interested in in new tabs, and then I proceed to read them, closing them as I go. I sometimes follow links from interesting articles, but links within news.yc are rare.

So given my current habits, maxvisit would be actually limiting the time I get to skim the frontpages opening tabs. A couple minutes of that could spawn hours of time wasting, if I wasn't otherwise careful.

Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by brlewis on Thursday November 08, 2007 @01:25PM (#77553)
This is will do great things for news.yc, temporarily.

People here to procrastinate have a lower average quality contribution than people here out of genuine interest. The average submission/comment quality will go up as they temporarily leave.

What will happen is that they will find some other way of procrastinating. The problem isn't that news.yc draws them too strongly; it's that what they should be doing doesn't draw them strongly enough.

Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by pg on Thursday November 08, 2007 @04:43PM (#77654)
Most (maybe all) of the most ambitious people I know waste more time than they'd like checking email and visiting news sites. Including me. I added noprocrast partly because I wanted it myself.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by e1ven on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @05:33PM (#77177)
Interesting feature.. I think this falls under the heading of Keeping Honest people Honest.

Of course it's easy to get around. Log in anonymously, or use a proxy, or any number of other things- The point as I understand it isn't to hold you iron-fisted to the whims you had when you set it up, but more to act as a gentle reminder.

"Hey, it's been 2 hours already. Stop wasting time on news.yc, and get back to work"

There have been some similar program that extend the concept, and read the title of the browser window to let you graph your productive time. I can't find any at the moment, though.. There's certainly a lot that could be done in that area. Maybe someone will apply for a Fall 07 YC to track productivity effectively.

On thinking about it, I was reminded of this link from MyDreamApp (A contest to pitch apps for the Mac)

http://mydreamapp.com/contestants/view/danlundmark/

Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by bluishgreen on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @08:32PM (#77259)
Damn, now I have to create another account to procrastinate smoothly.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by webwright on Thursday November 08, 2007 @04:26PM (#77643)
If you'd like to know EXACTLY how much time you spend on news.YC (and when you spend it), give me a shout ([email protected]) and I'll give you a beta invite code to RescueTime.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by plinkplonk on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @09:46PM (#77292)
How did you think of this one? did someone ask for it? I like it!
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by cstejerean on Thursday November 08, 2007 @03:00AM (#77411)
I don't know if anyone asked for it but I started a thread a little while ago about how news.YC was damaging my productivity and several other folks seemed to agree so I'm wondering if this is in any way related. I think it was done more to help the folks accepted into YC procrastinate less and work more.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by prakash on Thursday November 08, 2007 @12:30PM (#77527)
PG: Is there any way to remove the override function as well, so that there is no way for the user to well override the settings? Thanks:-)
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by dfranke on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:09PM (#77196)
During application season, you might want to make sure it still lets you in to edit your application.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by pg on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @07:01PM (#77230)
Don't worry, it doesn't apply to those pages, just news.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by umjames on Thursday November 08, 2007 @02:13PM (#77588)
lazynews.yc: If it restricts by your username, then all you have to do is clear your cookies and you can look at the site, right? You won't be able to comment, but you can read everything.

I guess we are going to have to exercise some self-control. That's fine.

PS. It is a great feature though!

Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by byrneseyeview on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @10:05PM (#77307)
Excellent! 10 minutes a visit; 1440 minutes between visits. My productivity is saved.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by Xichekolas on Thursday November 08, 2007 @09:17AM (#77464)
Maxvisit: 960 Minaway: 480

For the first time in my life I'll force myself into a regular sleeping schedule... or at least YC will...

Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by pius on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @05:46PM (#77184)
That's a pretty sweet feature.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by kcl on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:19PM (#77201)
Can someone post how to do italics and code indentation?
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by tlrobinson on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @10:54PM (#77330)
Does it use Markdown? I guess there's one way to find out...

emphasis

strong

This is an H1 =============

This is an H2 -------------

### This is an H3 ######

[Y Combinator](http://www.ycombinator.com)

Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by davidw on Thursday November 08, 2007 @03:40AM (#77421)
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by tlrobinson on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @10:54PM (#77331)
Nope, just similar I guess...
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by pg on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:28PM (#77208)
For italics use stars, for indentation use indentation.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by aston on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:56PM (#77227)
Can someone post how to show a star in a post?
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by pg on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @07:05PM (#77232)
Unfortunately there's not currently any way.

  (Though you can use all you want * * * in code.)
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by ralph on Thursday November 08, 2007 @06:21AM (#77440)
In the past, * was a star, obtained by entering `*'.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by jadams on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @11:54PM (#77357)
removes news.ycombinator.com from marketing plan
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by tocomment on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:42PM (#77213)
Speaking of yc.news settings, what does "showdead" do?
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by rms on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:49PM (#77221)
Spam/otherwise inappropriate posts/submissions are marked by admins as dead. This removes them from the view of everyone that doesn't have showdead on. It's a great way of avoiding claims of censorship -- it's all there to be viewed if you want.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by jkush on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:24PM (#77204)
Paul, this is a cleverly elegant solution!

Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by prakash on Thursday November 08, 2007 @01:41AM (#77396)
awesome!!
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by nmeyer on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:48PM (#77218)
roflmao
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by rokhayakebe on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @09:25PM (#77283)
I think this is a bad idea. Just my thought
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by rokhayakebe on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @09:47PM (#77294)
Why is it that every time you state your opinion (even in a respectful manner) someone has to down mod .
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by dood on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @09:55PM (#77303)
Probably because opinions without explanations aren't very interesting.
Re:New Feature: get kicked off News.YC on demand by rokhayakebe on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @11:12PM (#77339)
Oops. You forgot to explain why. Use your own remede