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Re:The Conflict at the Heart of Open Source by davidw on Wednesday May 07, 2014 @05:09AM (#7709266)
Currently, I think open source seems to do best in "base of the pyramid infrastructure" type projects. The kind of software that everyone uses, but that is not a differentiator ("the secret sauce") that makes something stand out. Companies that 'get it' will contribute back to something like that with a portion of the profits that they make with what actually makes their money. We see this to varying degrees with lots of big companies like IBM, Google, Facebook, Amazon, and.... gasp, even Microsoft, which is taking some baby steps in that direction.

I don't think of it as a "solved problem" though, so it'll be interesting to see where open source goes in the future. The public goods link I posted elsewhere here is a good read, although a lot of negativity regarding copyright has crept into it.

Re:The Conflict at the Heart of Open Source by nfoz on Wednesday May 07, 2014 @12:12PM (#7710962)
I see this "pyramid" across society in general, and I find it extremely troubling:

- There is no effective monetization scheme to develop, maintain, improve, or redesign basic infrastructure that is critical and used by everybody

- There is lots of money thrown around for tiny little non-reusable services that depend on that infrastructure

Where and how money is spent on the core infrastructure is typically sporadic, subject to the whims or neglects of the big companies that have R&D budgets, and typically their best interest for the infrastructure is not quite that of the general public.

Example: the web, which grew from a simple consumer-is-in-control document sharing system to an incredibly complicated and misengineered producer-is-in-control application engine that abuses user data/privacy all throughout. Yes the infrastructure was developed, but very poorly and incrementally, and with bad intentions.

Yes the infrastructure is largely open-source / open-protocol, so that counts as a win? But I wish we could invent a society in which shared-infrastructure is valued and monetized proportional to its contribution to the society (which would outweigh the utility of the services on top of it), rather than vice-versa.

Open-source verifiable operating systems, security libraries: these are more important than your text-messaging app! But we don't know how to fund them.

Re:The Conflict at the Heart of Open Source by davidw on Thursday May 08, 2014 @04:33AM (#7714408)
"Public goods" is what you are talking about, and the link I suggested covers their provisioning, and its problems, in depth.
Re:The Conflict at the Heart of Open Source by tjgq on Wednesday May 07, 2014 @06:55AM (#7709505)
> The kind of software that everyone uses, but that is not a differentiator ("the secret sauce") that makes something stand out.

Doesn't OpenSSL fit this definition perfectly?

Re:The Conflict at the Heart of Open Source by davidw on Wednesday May 07, 2014 @07:06AM (#7709528)
Sure, but that doesn't mean it works all the time, everywhere. Like I said: not a solved problem. It seems no one really stood up and took the lead to fix things.
Re:The Conflict at the Heart of Open Source by angersock on Wednesday May 07, 2014 @11:55AM (#7710857)
"Sure, but that doesn't mean it works all the time, everywhere."

...which is a rather unsettling property in the foundation of your pyramid.

I agree with your theory--I'm just sad to see that there isn't always a lot of that in practice.

Hell, they almost killed off SPARC support on Debian a month ago because of developer ADD.

Re:The Conflict at the Heart of Open Source by orkoden on Wednesday May 07, 2014 @06:42AM (#7709470)
OpenSSL is at the base of the pyramid and it proved that that model can fail.