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Re:Spoofing the Samsung Smart TV Internet Check by Bud on Sunday April 20, 2014 @09:18AM (#7616688)
No. Please don't put words in my mouth. :) Cellphones are an entirely different product in several ways. Most notably, they are portable, need to stand alone without other helper devices, function as complete computers, and are upgraded approximately every 1-2 years by most users. TVs possess none of these attributes.

That's why it's great for a cellphone to run a full modern OS, and why it's NOT great for a TV to do so. TVs last across multiple tech generations. They should contain the bare minimum of software needed to display whatever content you pump into them. Nothing else.

Re:Spoofing the Samsung Smart TV Internet Check by Aqueous on Sunday April 20, 2014 @11:38AM (#7617120)
'Most notably, they are portable, need to stand alone without other helper devices, function as complete computers, and are upgraded approximately every 1-2 years by most users. TVs possess none of these attributes.'

Each of these statements could equally apply to TVs (except, possibly, portability) and the fact that they haven't is merely circumstantial.

Yes, for the first 50 years of television's existence people tended to keep the same TV around for half a decade or more. But that's because fundamental changes happened between fifteen and thirty years apart - the switch from black and white to color, then the switch from broadcast to cable and satellite. The rate of innovation, and thus the turnover rate of individual devices, is increasing - just like with the telephone, which remained basically the same for the first several decades of its existence as well, until modern computer technology was invented.

Come to think of it the same thing is possibly true of desktop computers. My family was on the same computer between 1984/85 and 1993 - a Mac 512k. Then in 1994 or 95 we got a Performa 475. That lasted for about 5 years until I got a Mac clone - a Motorola Starmax 3000, which had a PowerPC processor. This laster about 2 -3 years. Then I built my first PC - that lasted for about two years. And each year since then I've used the same computer for 1 to 2 years at a time. The turnover period halved exponentially as computers got more and more sophisticated.

Re:Spoofing the Samsung Smart TV Internet Check by frandroid on Sunday April 20, 2014 @09:35AM (#7616737)
That TV above still has all the bare minimum to display whatever content you pump into it; the only part that's not functional in this post is its self-pumping, so to speak. As long as the TV can still function in dumb mode, having a smart mode is extra gravy that makes life so much easier. Now if I could pair a Bluetooth keyboard with it...
Re:Spoofing the Samsung Smart TV Internet Check by Bud on Sunday April 20, 2014 @09:50AM (#7616766)
No. The part that's not functional is everything else. "Smart" TVs tend to have all kinds of idiotic things like splash screens (what? why?), ads (seriously? ads on my TV that I paid for? no thanks), stupid software vulnerabilities and instability that a TV has no business having (see the topic this thread is based on), and all kinds of other nonsense.

Add in the fact that good TVs are basically always made by the companies who are the Very Worst at software (Samsung most prominently), and you have a recipe for digital heartburn.

No thanks. Dumb TVs forever.

Also, to respond to another comment, there's no correlation between a TV being "smart" and achieving a simple A/V setup with a single remote and a minimum of hassles. Unless you mean a negative correlation. It's very simple to achieve single-remote nirvana with a dumb TV. Plus you're not stuck with a dumb company's remote and software; you can pick your own, because a dumb TV will work with anything and not get in your way.

Singled out for especially thorough beatings are those TV makers who put actual physical buttons on their remotes for websites that might be gone next week. Seriously? No.

Dumb TVs forever.

Re:Spoofing the Samsung Smart TV Internet Check by jdsareault on Sunday April 20, 2014 @11:12AM (#7616997)
I can sympathize with the fact that Smart TVs have a worse overall experience for you. The ads and crapware that you can't get rid of just mess up what was once a simple experience of turning on the TV. However I think smart TVs are a good idea because the way that people consume visual media is changing. More people are ditching cable and turning to services like Netflix. If HBO ever decouples itself from cable, I'd imagine this trend would increase more so. Why should I watch YouTube on my computer screen when I can watch it on a larger screen (and in a more comfortable room)?

I don't think the problem is with Smart TVs, I think it's just the current execution of the idea.

Re:Spoofing the Samsung Smart TV Internet Check by nitrogen on Sunday April 20, 2014 @11:54AM (#7617190)
The point of the thread is that Netflix and .mp4 files are more appropriately processed by a cheap smart box that plugs into an expensive dumb TV.
Re:Spoofing the Samsung Smart TV Internet Check by jdsareault on Sunday April 20, 2014 @01:51PM (#7617725)
Currently, yes. I don't think that excludes the option of someone creating a smart TV that doesn't require an additional device to plug into it though.
Re:Spoofing the Samsung Smart TV Internet Check by nitrogen on Sunday April 20, 2014 @02:24PM (#7617879)
Such a smart TV would have to be really well done in order to justify keeping the same privacy-invasive firmware around for the 5-10 year life of a TV.