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Re:Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Syste... by gruseom on Wednesday August 12, 2009 @04:09PM (#759113)
I think this comment is perverse.

Please don't attack the messenger

That phrase has always referred to someone delivering an unwanted truth. There was no "message" here at all, and no "messenger". "Please don't attack the libeler" would be more accurate. That doesn't pack the same pseudo-compassionate punch, does it?

Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying

That is an impossibly high and irrelevant bar. Gross irresponsibility, incompetence, and total disrespect for the truth aren't enough for you?

slandering him

Wow. That's a rich use of the word "slander", considering the activity this guy was just engaging in.

Re:Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Syste... by DanielBMarkham on Wednesday August 12, 2009 @04:51PM (#759214)
Gross irresponsibility, incompetence, and total disrespect for the truth aren't enough for you?

Please demonstrate this is the case. All I see is a guy who thought he had a hot story, made a few calls, and published before he got all the facts. Looks like the confusion in school names is what led to this.

Where is all of this terrible negligence you mention?

Re:Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Syste... by TomOfTTB on Wednesday August 12, 2009 @10:43PM (#759865)
I consider myself pretty open minded but I honestly can't even see where you're coming from here. The question here was "Did the man have the degree he claimed to?" and that story involved 2, only TWO, facts. The University he claimed the degree is from and the type of degree.

Of those 2 facts, Dvorak failed to correctly verify one of them and then drew a false conclusion based on that and screwed up the second one. That would be journalistic negligence from anyone. But when you add Dvorak having admitted to writing stories just to generate traffic (http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/9838/) you get a picture of a dishonest man.

Re:Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Syste... by otto on Thursday August 13, 2009 @01:57AM (#760111)
I'd say his terrible negligence is in having no professional ethics as a journalist. I expect a journalist to do some fact checking.

http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

Re:Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Syste... by DanielBMarkham on Wednesday August 12, 2009 @04:15PM (#759129)
Sorry -- strange as this may seem, I don't read Dvorak. I don't know him from Adam.

Seems like a lot of other people do, though, and have strong opinions!

Re:Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Syste... by gruseom on Wednesday August 12, 2009 @04:23PM (#759154)
I don't know anything about him either. My opinion has nothing to do with Dvorak. It has to do with your painting him as a victim of defamation when he obviously was the one doing the defaming.
Re:Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Syste... by tokenadult on Wednesday August 12, 2009 @04:57PM (#759229)
Under United States law, it's difficult indeed to prove defamation of a public official by a news media organization. My current view of today's news is that Dvorak was sloppy, but that his conduct doesn't constitute the "actual malice" that the Supreme Court requires for a successful defamation claim in such circumstances.
Re:Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Syste... by DanielBMarkham on Wednesday August 12, 2009 @04:46PM (#759200)
This gets directly into motivation, as I pointed out. If Dvorak purposely defamed somebody, that's one thing. I'd love to hear evidence about that.

If, on the other hand, he was just being sloppy, then it's a mistake. Let it go. All this name-calling says more about the name-callers than it does about Dvorak.

People who are sloppy and get slammed don't "deserve" it. Screw-ups happen. I'm perfectly willing to let some columnist I don't read the benefit of the doubt of screwing up. In return, I'd appreciate it if people gave me the same benefit of the doubt. This is just common sense.

Look at it this way -- isn't this an excellent example of the net publishing bad information and then correcting itself almost immediately? With any other story, people would be talking about how much better we have things now than when we only had printed media.

Re:Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Syste... by sophacles on Wednesday August 12, 2009 @05:42PM (#759355)
Dvorak has a reputation for publishing these screw-ups. It has been going on for years. The guy is the shock jock of tech columnists, or maybe a Bill O'Reilly, or at least that has been his reputation for a long time. This sort of history, going back years, should be taken into account when people judge the most recent actions. This is just common sense.

Your personal ignorance does not mean you are correct to chide those who do know of Dvorak and his history.

Re:Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Syste... by DanielBMarkham on Wednesday August 12, 2009 @05:58PM (#759386)
So if I understand you correctly, you're saying once you get to know Dvorak, he really is a jackass.

Let's grant your point. Then still, why call it out? Let's suppose Dvorak is the worst jackass in the history of jackasses. Let's also suppose that anybody who knew Dvorak would agree that he is the epitome of jackasses. Proper response: "Remember when Dvorak did X, Y, and Z? I'm not sure what the situation is now, but this looks like it might be one of those situations."

Why get so emotional? It's just a web column, for chrissakes. The truth was outed almost immediately. Whatever damage happened happened for about 2 hours. Do you guys live some kind of perverse emotional life through these tech columnists? If so, get a life already. Words are cheap. That's why we always ask for links, and double-check sources.

When you call somebody a name, you're attempting to shut down anything useful they might have to offer in the future. It's the ultimate ad hominem argument: no need to listen to anything Dvorak says because he's an X.

I think it's completely idiotic to go there. Everybody has something useful to offer at some time or another.

In those Frankenstein movies there always was a large crowd with torches and pitchforks who stormed the castle looking for the monster. I'm sure there was some guy in the back who was going, "Hey guys, couldn't we just send the sheriff? Why all the yelling and panic?"

I feel like that guy.

Re:Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Syste... by ubernostrum on Wednesday August 12, 2009 @07:23PM (#759540)
"Why get so emotional? It's just a web column, for chrissakes. The truth was outed almost immediately. Whatever damage happened happened for about 2 hours."

And during those two hours this story was everywhere. Remember the old saying: a lie can run halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its shoes on.