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Re:My Ideas, My Boss’s Property by ChuckMcM on Tuesday April 15, 2014 @12:57AM (#7590372)
In Google's contract they also stipulate that if you use any of your own stuff in your job at Google you grant Google a perpetual worldwide license to use, modify, and sublicense that material without any compensation to you.

Its sort of like 'copyleft' except it sucks into Google anything you touch, and use at least once at work.

And always be dubious when the company lawyer says, "Well that is what it says but that isn't what is meant by that clause." Because in a court of law, what it says counts.

Re:My Ideas, My Boss’s Property by CeramicTeapot on Tuesday April 15, 2014 @01:24AM (#7590413)
That is a verbal amendment to your employment contract, and as long as you do not sign an additional contract that somehow says "No, this actually means this" feel free to fuck shit up in court. That is a breach of contract and the company will be liable for damages (if any) and at least be required to give up any assumed license.

Verbal employment contracts are enforceable in in all 50 states.

Re:My Ideas, My Boss’s Property by pzxc on Tuesday April 15, 2014 @02:57AM (#7590650)
This is absolutely 100% false and a good example of why you shouldn't take legal advice from the internet.

When you have a written contract, any and all verbal contracts or amendments mean absolutely nothing. It's called the "four corners doctrine" and is a pretty universal judicial practice. Written contracts always, ALWAYS supersede any verbal agreements: with a written contract in hand, any mentions of oral discussions are irrelevant and will fall on deaf ears.

Re:My Ideas, My Boss’s Property by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday April 15, 2014 @06:55AM (#7591176)
I can't really believe this - if both parties agreed an alternate contract was made orally then the court would effectively rule against both parties in favour of supporting a knowingly false contract?

FWIW the Wikipedia definition, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_corners_%28law%29, contrasts sharply with your use and doesn't really seem to speak at all to overwriting of terms by further contracts.

Re:My Ideas, My Boss’s Property by judk on Tuesday April 15, 2014 @10:16AM (#7591914)
Ah but in practice, they won't agree. One aide will be motivated to claim the oral contract did not exist.
Re:My Ideas, My Boss’s Property by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday April 16, 2014 @11:48AM (#7598484)
Yes, but that's not what was claimed. Of course if it can't be established that there was any further [alteration of the] contract then the written contract will be relied on. But that doesn't really seem to be the heart of what the Four Corners doctrine is about.
Re:My Ideas, My Boss’s Property by judk on Tuesday April 15, 2014 @10:15AM (#7591911)
This is the difference between theory and practice.

Yes, if A and B walk into court and say that the verbal contract exists, it is enforceable. But in the common case, A will deny that the contract existed (or disagree on the terms) AMD without any evidence, the contract is lost.

Now if there is evidence (both sides had taken specific actions obviously in accordance with the verbal contrac, that they otherwise would have no reason to do), ther might be a case. But really, without evidence, the abstract rule will not connecg to concrete instances. Get evidence for everything.

Re:My Ideas, My Boss’s Property by Argorak on Tuesday April 15, 2014 @01:32AM (#7590433)
Verbal agreements are also very hard to prove.