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Re:What Really Happened in that Double-Blind Violin Sound Test by ricardobeat on Monday April 07, 2014 @05:13PM (#7549540)
I'm not convinced there is much interference from the conductors to warrant a double-blind study. Either way, I believe the original paper never claimed that "professional violinists can't tell the difference", that's the media twist. It proved beyond reasonable doubt that professional musicians do not prefer the antique models based on any objective qualities.
Re:What Really Happened in that Double-Blind Violin Sound Test by russelluresti on Monday April 07, 2014 @06:00PM (#7549867)
I wouldn't even say the study proved that point. The fact that the older fiddles couldn't be adjusted for sound optimizations while the new ones could makes a huge impact on the study - it invariably unlevels the playing field.
Re:What Really Happened in that Double-Blind Violin Sound Test by rquantz on Monday April 07, 2014 @06:54PM (#7550210)
Normals don't understand the difference an adjustment can make. You can tap the sound post half a millimeter and feel like you're playing on a completely different instrument.
Re:What Really Happened in that Double-Blind Violin Sound Test by DrStalker on Tuesday April 08, 2014 @07:39AM (#7552732)
I'd say they proved conclusively a modern violin you can adjust is preferred over an old violin you can't adjust, and pragmatically that's the only meaningful test since since there doesn't seem to be such a thing as an older violin you are allowed to adjust freely.
Re:What Really Happened in that Double-Blind Violin Sound Test by ricardobeat on Monday April 07, 2014 @06:55PM (#7550213)
I believe rare instruments like those are always kept in pristine conditions, and nowhere it is mentioned that the new ones had adjustments done, you can assume they all were received in 'normal playing condition' from their owners.
Re:What Really Happened in that Double-Blind Violin Sound Test by rquantz on Monday April 07, 2014 @07:59PM (#7550525)
You believe wrong. Also, even if they are, traveling with an instrument, especially and old finicky one (and they do get finicky when they get old) can throw it out of adjustment, a seam can pop open, a string can go false, etc.

The new ones, on the other hand, since they were actually new, were probably being maintained by their makers, who undoubtedly made sure they were in top condition when they went into competition with a strad.

Re:What Really Happened in that Double-Blind Violin Sound Test by sukuriant on Monday April 07, 2014 @07:23PM (#7550365)
It's a reasonable assumption to make that the new ones had adjustments done. Even larger was the unchanged strings. I could easily imagine that the older ones, since they're not allowed to be modified in any way, had older strings than the new ones. That alone could produce a huge difference.
Re:What Really Happened in that Double-Blind Violin Sound Test by thaumasiotes on Monday April 07, 2014 @09:10PM (#7550823)
That's a difference, but it's a difference with obvious large implications for using the things in performance as well as experiments. As such, it's hard to see how it's a problem in the experimental design; if you're not allowed to adjust the Stradivarius while it's in your possession, maybe a newer model really is the right choice for a concert?
Re:What Really Happened in that Double-Blind Violin Sound Test by sukuriant on Monday April 07, 2014 @09:47PM (#7550948)
That is fair; but, my assumption in this situation is that if the musician owned the instrument themselves, they would have been allowed to tune it. Not being allowed to change details may have been a way for the benefactors of the instruments to keep them from being harmed
Re:What Really Happened in that Double-Blind Violin Sound Test by thaumasiotes on Monday April 07, 2014 @10:22PM (#7551081)
With Stradivarius violins costing millions and millions of dollars, I always assumed that the people playing on them didn't, in the typical case, actually own them (much like how science is now mostly practiced by professionals funded by grants, instead of by the bored idle rich). But I'm not informed on that point; it could be very different.
Re:What Really Happened in that Double-Blind Violin Sound Test by analog31 on Tuesday April 08, 2014 @12:12AM (#7551388)
I don't know the exact breakdown of numbers, but it's increasingly common for a Strad to be owned by a benefactor and loaned to the musician. I don't know of any other artifact that straddles such extremes of being a treasure but also a work horse. Even the owners of lesser instruments have to deal with the implications of taking a valuable and delicate instrument out of the house to play in a saloon.

For this reason, tweaking a Strad is unlikely to be done casually. Re-stringing? Sure, at the very least E strings, which break all the time. But a set of fiddle strings is damned expensive, and takes time to break in so they don't sound too harsh, so re-stringing has to be coordinated with one's performance schedule.

Online, one can find a list of every known Strad, its history of owners, etc. Interestingly enough, a couple of them are listed as missing or stolen.