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Re:US Secretly Built 'Cuban Twitter' To Stir Unrest by gadders on Thursday April 03, 2014 @10:44AM (#7523150)
For that whole period it was heavily subsidised by the USSR.
Re:US Secretly Built 'Cuban Twitter' To Stir Unrest by jacobolus on Thursday April 03, 2014 @10:58AM (#7523260)
What else were they supposed to do when their next-door superpower blocked all trade, and brought substantial resources to bear on trying to undermine/destroy them? Invasion plots, assassination plots, every kind of wacky propaganda plot you can imagine (fake radio stations, leaflets dropped from planes), financial support for dissident groups, etc. etc.

My point was just that regular Cubans actually did alright, much better than US propaganda would have you believe, and better than most of the other states in the region, including those which were heavily subsidized by the US.

They could have easily ended up with a fascist police state or a civil war.

American policymakers obviously had legitimate reasons to fear anything that seemed like it might further Soviet interests, given the overall climate of the Cold War, and so as someone born in the mid 1980s I find it hard to judge their intentions and actions, after the fact. However, I tend to think that things would have turned out much better overall for everyone involved if we had kept up diplomatic and economic relations with the Castro regime right from the start, instead of basically forcing them into Soviet arms.

Re:US Secretly Built 'Cuban Twitter' To Stir Unrest by jbooth on Thursday April 03, 2014 @11:00AM (#7523288)
..and the right-wing juntas up and down latin america were subsidized by the US. Cuba still did better.

You could say, "But that's not a fair comparison, the USSR subsidized things that actually helped people in Cuba while the US only funded commando death squads and fruit exporters, of course Cuba had a higher standard of living".. at which point I'd ask you to review what you just wrote.

Re:US Secretly Built 'Cuban Twitter' To Stir Unrest by crusso on Thursday April 03, 2014 @01:06PM (#7524260)
Wow, a "preemptive strike straw man". You don't see that every day. :)
Re:US Secretly Built 'Cuban Twitter' To Stir Unrest by jbooth on Thursday April 03, 2014 @01:22PM (#7524405)
Apparently you feel obligated to disagree with my substance, but had to settle for attacking my writing style.

It wasn't pre-emptive or a straw man -- the poster had just (not pre-emptive) said that living standards were an unfair comparison due to USSR subsidies to Cuba (not a strawman), which is a fair point. I just pointed out that the US supported it's pet governments as well, and contrasted the USSR's approach with the USA's.

Ever read that book 'The Ugly American' back in the day? Great read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ugly_American

Re:US Secretly Built 'Cuban Twitter' To Stir Unrest by crusso on Thursday April 03, 2014 @01:33PM (#7524498)
Apparently you want to disagree with my point

Jeez, another straw man. Are they really necessary?

Actually I do think that Cuba has been tragically mishandled by the US. I would have thought that trading with them and being a good example of Freedom for them would have been much better than trying to punish the dictators with perpetual embargo.

That said, I sympathize with Cuban refugees who are furious with the mistreatment of dissidents and want the US government to continue a hard line against Cuba.

Re:US Secretly Built 'Cuban Twitter' To Stir Unrest by jbooth on Thursday April 03, 2014 @01:39PM (#7524553)
It's pretty rare for someone to come in pointing out flaws in an argument they agree with.

You say that you did agree with me, so my apologies for attributing that view to you.