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Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by wpietri on Monday March 24, 2014 @05:22PM (#7461609)
There are moral fashions. But this isn't one of them, because it's far from arbitrary. We aren't going to have some sort of sudden fashion back the other way, where people are suddenly against interracial marriage, or against black people voting, or against women voting.

They also aren't shunning him for his views. They're shunning him for his actions. He tried to hurt them; it is not unreasonable of them to refuse to support him or the organization he runs.

Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by transitionality on Monday March 24, 2014 @05:25PM (#7461633)
Discrimination on the basis of political stance is bigotry. There is no two ways about this.
Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by drhayes9 on Monday March 24, 2014 @05:31PM (#7461699)
Discrimination of what kind? They are not publishing an app in an app store. Are they discriminating against Mozilla? Are they blocking Mozilla browsers from their site? Are people being persecuted, imprisoned, or killed for using Firefox? Are they working to put Eich in an internment camp based on his beliefs?

The word "bigotry" is a very big stick to swing against two people who could be killed in many parts of the world based on who they are. Bigotry implies a more systemic persecution than the economic decision they've made here.

By way of comparison, I'm not "discriminating" against Sony based on my boycott of their products for pushing out rootkits to their customers.

Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by transitionality on Monday March 24, 2014 @05:34PM (#7461721)
They are actively working to disenfranchise Brendan Eich of his employment. They are doing this on the basis of his political stance. This is bigotry. They are bigots. What's worse, they're hypocritical bigots, because they're trying to pass this off as some sort of anti-bigotry stance.

All social justice is like this. It breaks down under the merest of scrutinty.

Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by wpietri on Monday March 24, 2014 @05:44PM (#7461820)
I believe Eich has and will continue to have his franchise. Voting, you see, being one of the civil rights guaranteed to us. Like marriage, it turns out.

Being a fancy CEO, though? That's not a civil right. Especially not if attempting to deprive gay people of their civil rights makes it hard to perform an important function of that fancy CEO job: the recruitment and retention of staff.

Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by drhayes9 on Monday March 24, 2014 @05:40PM (#7461790)
That's a very reductionist point of view that doesn't seem useful as an intellectual tool.

Bigotry is not just a description of actions people take but the context in which they take them. Eich, in the context of this specific economic transaction, doesn't belong to a marginalized group. These men who are withdrawing their app do. Eich has taken direct action against them and they are responding. In this case, I believe they could be considered to be defending themselves by trying to deprive people who want to do them harm economic opportunity. I'm pretty much okay with that.

So, yeah, I guess you could say they are bigots. But that train of thought doesn't seem to me to place this situation in any useful context other than "all social justice causes are bad". Am I missing something?

Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by zanny on Monday March 24, 2014 @06:06PM (#7461983)
> They are doing this on the basis of his political stance.

They are doing this because he directly funded initiatives that withhold equal rights from them and treat them as less than human. You can hold views, even as CEOs, I don't agree with. Hell, you could donate to the anti-funds of almost anything I believe, as long as it is an equal battlefield. But civil rights aren't about ideology, they are literally whether or not you recognize other humans as being humans and deserving the same rights as you.

Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by Delenda on Monday March 24, 2014 @05:29PM (#7461676)
Political stance is one thing, but he then specifically took action to ruin their lives. They're not acting based on against what his stance is, but on the actions he specifically took that personally and demonstrably hurt them.
Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by wpietri on Monday March 24, 2014 @05:38PM (#7461758)
Huh. White power is a political stance. One widely reviled. So is antisemitism. So if I understand you rightly, you're basically saying that everybody is a bigot on a variety of formerly-controversial issues.

I guess if you want to define the word that way, sure. In which case, I'm proud to be bigoted against racists. But I think words are more useful when they don't include 99% of the population.

Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by transitionality on Monday March 24, 2014 @05:40PM (#7461786)
Every social justice warrior is a bigot by definition.

Thankfully, your kind is a very tiny percentage of the population.

Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by wpietri on Monday March 24, 2014 @05:59PM (#7461932)
I guess 87% of the population is pretty tiny in your world: http://www.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-wh...

Also, I think it's awesome I get to qualify as a warrior by sitting in a cafe and pointing out basic legal facts to people. Pew pew! I'm a warrior! 'Scuse me while I go beat my chest and shop for bandoliers.

Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by alexqgb on Monday March 24, 2014 @06:27PM (#7462127)
Uh, no. Political views are - presumably - matters of choice. Also, they're prone to regular change. In both regards, they are categorically different from distinctions of gender, race, orientation, etc.
Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by transitionality on Monday March 24, 2014 @06:35PM (#7462201)
Getting a sex change operation is a matter of choice, too.
Re:Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace by alexqgb on Monday March 24, 2014 @07:01PM (#7462382)
Regular change. Can you not read?