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Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by vilhelm_s on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @11:16AM (#7429161)
But should you really be allowed to trademark industrial design? Consider Dell XPS ultrabooks. They are obviously designed to look like a Macbook, but with a Dell logo instead of the Apple logo (http://cdn-static.cnet.co.uk/i/product_media/40002464/image3...). Or think about sport cars, Ferrari has a trademark for their horse logo, but they don't have a monopoly on "a sport car painted red".

I think that is the ideal tradeoff---the logo lets a consumer know what they are buying, but you should still be allowed to buy cheap products that look stylish...

Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by rayiner on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @11:31AM (#7429315)
Industrial design cannot be protected, but trade dress can. Trade dress protection is available when a particular, arbitrary and non-functional, design becomes distinctive of a product. For these aspects of design to be protected, it must actually be distinctive of the product (i.e. you can't just claim a mark on the gray/yellow combination, but you have to show, usually through surveys, that the market identifies that design with your product).

Industrial design usually won't qualify because it's functional. The color comes from the use of aluminum, aluminum is used for its structural properties, particular colors have more aesthetic value in the market, etc. Trade dress has to be more specific, not functional, and arbitrary.

A classic example is pink for Owens-Corning insulation. It's a totally arbitrary color choice for a product where aesthetics doesn't factor into buyers' choices, and had become strongly associated in the public with Owens-Corning's brand. If there was a functional reason for the pink color, or it was a situation where people would prefer a certain color for aesthetic reasons, the design choice wouldn't have been eligible for protection.

Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by pilom on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @11:36AM (#7429350)
A second example of trade dress is Coca-Cola red and white with the cursive font. For instance, this shirt [1] in red almost certainly violates Coca-Cola's trade dress.

[1] http://www.cafepress.com/mf/34611212/enjoy-capitalism_tshirt...

Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by leephillips on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @11:59AM (#7429553)
Perhaps if the shirt is also a soft drink. Otherwise I think the likelihood of consumer confusion is pretty slim.
Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by pilom on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @04:21PM (#7431577)
In the case of the shirt, there isn't confusion about if it is a soft drink, but a lawyer could successfully argue that a customer might buy the shirt thinking it was a coca-cola shirt. If the coca-cola trade dress did not exist, it is extremely unlikely that a shirt with that design would be marketed.
Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by Floegipoky on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @11:45AM (#7429429)
Doesn't fair use apply to this?
Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by landhar on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @11:33AM (#7429336)
I'm not a lawyer, but I remember being told during an introductory class to business law in school that the definition of what makes a trademark can be whatever is considered to be so tied to the brand identity that people would immediately assume that the product belongs to the brand.

In the case of the Macbooks vs Dell XPS ultrabooks you could argue that what makes people recognize a Macbook is as much the glowing white apple logo as the aluminum case so people are not being fooled when they see a Dell XPS into thinking it's a Macbook.

Similarly, people don't immediately assume that a sport car painted red is a Ferrari. But if they were to see a car with a Ferrari logo (regardless of its color) they would most certainly assume that it's a Ferrari.

In short, it's my understanding that trademarks are by definition somewhat subjective. However I believe that the intention is a good one, as it protects as much customers than brands.

Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by Fuxy on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @12:49PM (#7429976)
If there weren't so may multimeters with the same color scheme out there I would agree with you but there are.

Fluke is not the first one to use the color scheme they were just the first to apply for a patent on it.

Even if they were they didn't enforce it until now so it became the general color scheme of all multimeters not just Fluke multimeters.

Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by chc on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @01:24PM (#7430276)
I really think you're overstating your case.

https://www.google.com/search?q=multimeter&safe=on&client=fi...

Most of the ones that look like a Fluke are indeed a Fluke.

Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by Fuxy on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @01:38PM (#7430372)
Well on google images there's quite a few however if you look here [1] very few are actually a Fluke.

[1] http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%...

Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by landhar on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @01:33PM (#7430337)
I was just pointing out what my understanding of a trademark is and how I think it wouldn't apply for the Dell vs Macbook example.

In any case, I don't think I'm qualified to have an opinion in the case being discussed here. Both because my understanding of trademark law is just a very general sense of what it is supposed to stand for and because I have absolutely no notion of what are the multimeter brands out there and what their designs look like.

For what it's worth, all the multimeters I recall using at school were either all yellow or all black and I have the feeling they were always the same brand although I don't remember what that was (I studied in Europe)

Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by hapless on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @12:01PM (#7429566)
It's called "trade dress." You absolutely are allowed, and this is probably a good thing.

In the case of a durable tool, like a multimeter, the industrial design serves the same purpose packaging does for normal consumer goods.

Let me turn the question around: "Should you really be allowed to trademark your packaging?"

Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by wernercd on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @11:26AM (#7429267)
Should T-Mobile be able to trademark the color Magenta and prevent AT&T from using it?

The court says yes: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/02/08/t-mobile-wins-lawsui...

Why would this be different? Using a known, good name brand like Fluke or T-Mobile... and diluting it's name by making confusing, derivative and lesser products.

Using the color yellow shouldn't be off limits... but using yellow (or magenta) to confuse consumers should be.

Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by Spooky23 on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @12:05PM (#7429602)
I think that a better example is Coke -- their bottle shape is a user-friendly design that is easy to hold onto, but more importantly it has become an iconic symbol of Coke the brand.

I think in the case of Apple, they iterate so often on basic laptop design that having trademarked trade dress around a laptop would be counter-productive. They always want their devices to be thinner and lighter, and that requires fundamental changes to the design (wedge shapes, unibody, etc)

With the Dell laptop, what really makes it look like Apple? It's silver and thin. There are literally dozens of vendors shipping thin, silver devices.

Re:Fluke owns trademark on multimeters with "contrasting yel... by deletesystem32 on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @12:18PM (#7429703)
> Good design adds and means nothing

Yeah… nah