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Re:Tesla Faces New Jersey Challenge as Rule Change Looms by ericd on Tuesday March 11, 2014 @05:50PM (#7382417)
That additional cost is probably gas tax, so instead of going towards paying a group of people to waste their time doing something trivial, that money is going to pay for freeway maintenance, etc.
Re:Tesla Faces New Jersey Challenge as Rule Change Looms by mullingitover on Tuesday March 11, 2014 @05:58PM (#7382472)
> That additional cost is probably gas tax

California's gas tax is ~$.70 per gallon, Oregon is ~$.50. Now granted, California has roughly 3x the miles of roadway that Oregon has...[1] This probably explains why California's roads are atrociously bad and Oregon's are relatively pristine.

[1] http://blog.cubitplanning.com/2010/02/road-miles-by-state/

Re:Tesla Faces New Jersey Challenge as Rule Change Looms by saryant on Tuesday March 11, 2014 @06:04PM (#7382515)
The difference isn't just in taxes. California has an artificially restricted supply of gasoline because it requires a specific formula (ostensibly to reduce emissions) and only six or seven refineries are equipped to meet that regulation.

Oregon's standards allow it to buy from a far larger market.

Re:Tesla Faces New Jersey Challenge as Rule Change Looms by ericd on Tuesday March 11, 2014 @07:14PM (#7382855)
Ah, good to know! Makes a lot of sense. Do you know if it actually does reduce emissions?
Re:Tesla Faces New Jersey Challenge as Rule Change Looms by cwal37 on Wednesday March 12, 2014 @11:14AM (#7386037)
It does. Just at a very basic level they're reducing the amount of smog-producing particulates and toxins such as benzene in the typical gallon of gas. Obviously, a reduction in those constituents is going to affect their ratios in the combustion products, it's like reducing the number of moles on the left side of a balanced chemical equation. The moles on the right are going to drop because there's less material.

California has an interesting history with environmental legislation, as it had a clean air board before the EPA existed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Air_Resources_Board

Re:Tesla Faces New Jersey Challenge as Rule Change Looms by saryant on Tuesday March 11, 2014 @07:17PM (#7382864)
I don't know.

This is actually one area where the refining industry wants federal regulation: they would vastly prefer to deal with a single set of standards for the whole country than tailoring individual plants to 50 different standards.

Re:Tesla Faces New Jersey Challenge as Rule Change Looms by maxerickson on Tuesday March 11, 2014 @07:24PM (#7382905)
There are minimum federal standards:

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/fuels/gasolinefuels/rfg/areas.htm

So the state specific requirements only really matter if they exceed the federal standards.

It's pretty likely that reformulated gasoline is effective in reducing smog (I think CO is the big target).

Re:Tesla Faces New Jersey Challenge as Rule Change Looms by saryant on Tuesday March 11, 2014 @07:26PM (#7382915)
> So the state specific requirements only really matter if they exceed the federal standards.

Which is exactly the case in California, hence the higher prices.

Re:Tesla Faces New Jersey Challenge as Rule Change Looms by maxerickson on Tuesday March 11, 2014 @08:24PM (#7383157)
To a large extent, I was replying to your wording. There is federal regulation. I was probably over-reading.
Re:Tesla Faces New Jersey Challenge as Rule Change Looms by pbreit on Tuesday March 11, 2014 @07:03PM (#7382815)
I thought you were going to say: "instead of paying a local working human being providing a decent service, that money goes down the government rathole".
Re:Tesla Faces New Jersey Challenge as Rule Change Looms by ericd on Tuesday March 11, 2014 @07:18PM (#7382870)
It's not a decent service, though. It's a service not many want to pay extra for. Personally I would even pay a bit extra to be able to pump my own gas. It certainly doesn't save me any time to have them pump it for me, and it's awkward to boot.

There's no shortage of things they could be doing, but instead, we're paying them to stand around most of the time inhaling gasoline fumes. We could instead be paying those people to do something actually useful, like running fiber to homes and businesses, or delivering goods so that we don't have to travel, or a million other things that would increase our productivity.