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Re:Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’ by api on Monday March 10, 2014 @12:11PM (#7373742)
Are all currencies ponzi games?

Seems to me that the deciding factor is: what percentage of Bitcoin's transactions are actual transactions for actual goods and services vs. what percentage are transactions related to speculation on Bitcoin itself. That is very hard to measure, especially since at least a double-digit percentage of transactions belong to the illicit economy.

Re:Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’ by sodastream on Monday March 10, 2014 @12:17PM (#7373779)
Isn't 80% of world wide used currency all speculation and only 20% used in services and products ?

I'm talking about the trillions of derivatives market ..

Re:Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’ by pjc50 on Monday March 10, 2014 @12:31PM (#7373897)
That depends on whether you mean "M0" or "M3".

Retail payments are now a little over 50% electronic: http://www.paymentscouncil.org.uk/media_centre/press_release... , so that's bank money rather than paper/metal currency.

Forex trading is huge: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/forex-market-size-traders-adva... : again, held on account rather than actual notes and coins changing hands. That's not even counting derivatives, but derivatives usually net out (for every put option there is a call option) and don't necessarily require settlement.

However, there's enough of a real market and taxation demand denominated in the US dollar that it's not going anywhere any time soon. The ECD made enough of a commitment to Euro liquidity that it's not going away any time soon.

Bitcoin's market cap is still tiny enough that it could be demolished by a single bored FX trader in an afternoon; but there's no real way to profit from that, as doing so would also demolish the fragile exchanges by which you might cash out.

Re:Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’ by sodastream on Monday March 10, 2014 @01:00PM (#7374107)
Interesting. Thanks.
Re:Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’ by aggronn on Monday March 10, 2014 @12:23PM (#7373827)
100% of transactions in bitcoin could be for legitimate goods and services, and his point would still stand. Its not a currency if all transactions are being translated to other currencies immediately afterwards. If that were the case, it would simply be a means of payment. Bitcoins would be no more an independent currency than the money in your paypal account.
Re:Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’ by dperfect on Monday March 10, 2014 @12:44PM (#7373991)
"all transactions are being translated to other currencies immediately afterwards"

Many merchants that accept Bitcoin are currently converting as you say via services like BitPay, but I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say that all transactions are being converted.

As for Bitcoin vs Paypal: one basic difference is that money in a Paypal account is denominated in terms of fiat, and as such can be considered fungible with fiat. Bitcoin is not inherently tied to the value of any another currency, so it clearly has a more independent role (not to mention the numerous [1]other advantages).

[1] https://blockchain.info/wallet/paypal-vs-bitcoin

Re:Nouriel Roubini: Bitcoin Is a ‘Ponzi Game’ by dperfect on Monday March 10, 2014 @12:19PM (#7373798)
"at least a double-digit percentage of transactions belong to the illicit economy"

Would you mind sharing your source?