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Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by tomp on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @10:20AM (#7340683)
What's worse, it doesn't actually need to be child pornography. Even computer-generated/digitally modified images/videos where actors resemble children, and even drawings that can be interpreted as children having sex, are illegal!
Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by astrodust on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @10:27AM (#7340731)
There need to be prohibitions that don't discriminate on the basis of age. If someone's being abused, against their will, that's the same thing. It doesn't matter if they've crossed the magical line where they're an adult.

If you're going to make a stand, at least make a principled one ("We're trying to prevent abuse") and not one on emotional basis ("Think of the children!")

Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by drdaeman on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @10:39AM (#7340826)
It's age-based because it's defined that kids just can't (legally) consent, so lack of consent can be determined.

You can't determine whenever characters on picture are consenting or not (or pretending they're not consenting but actually do). Especially if they're drawings that bear no resemblance to any real persons. So, while your suggestion is logically right by its nature, it just can't work in reality.

Well, unless laws mandate that every porn-looking picture out there must be accompanied with a signed written consent proof. But that's not really possible, too.

Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by doreo on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @10:59AM (#7340973)
For adult porn the legal system doesn't really care if they are consenting or real. A special needs teacher called Jane Longhurst was murdered by a guy who enjoyed violent pornography, so now mere depictions of particularly dangerous (and soon non-consensual) sex are made illegal. You could literally have signed written consent proof but if it looks like rape then it lands you in legal trouble because it might turn you into a rapist murderer.
Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by Crito on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @11:33AM (#7341251)
In your mind, is this limited to sexual abuse without consent, or does bog-standard torture without consent count as well?

In your mind, would this include images/videos of cartel beheadings? Killings by religious extremists? Killings by oppressive regimes? Images/videos of the results of war? Images/videos of the results of war that your particular government is responsible for?

Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by astrodust on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @01:55PM (#7342243)
I'm not saying that it should be blanket outlawed or it should be fully legal, but if you're going to take a position, take it on the magnitude of abuse and not the age of the person involved.

Torture is torture. Abuse is abuse.

Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by Crito on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @03:42PM (#7342965)
I think that any laws restricting the distribution or possession of evidence of torture or atrocities is an extremely dangerous infringement on the public's ability to monitor the actions of their governments. These laws have no place in democracies.^

I would not consider even laws with exceptions for evidence of government wrong-doing to be acceptable, as that would leave open the possibility that governments could restrict access to evidence of their wrong-doing by denying involvement in the crime, and therefore denying the public the right to distribute or possess that evidence.

We are fortunate that existing laws concerning evidence of abuse of children seemingly have not undermined our system of government. However if these laws are expanded, they will do exactly that.

^ For example, what sort of democracy would we be if the public were not permitted to see or know about the photos of abuse and sexual humiliation at Abu Ghraib (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Abu_Ghraib_prison...)? If our democratic process is to be valued in the slightest, then the public must be allowed to see even the disturbing results of the policies of their nation.

Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by astrodust on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @05:03PM (#7350273)
I completely agree. I can imagine there are those conducting research into politically sensitive subjects that could be caught up in more aggressive laws. For instance, is it illegal for police to hold images of child pornography as part of an investigation? Is it illegal for a child to have pornographic images of themselves?

Abuse of any kind, adult, child, or animal, should be investigated and prosecuted as allowed by law. The products of these acts, which could be in the hands of innumerable people for various reasons, legitimate (investigators, vigilantes, etc.) or otherwise, is something that can't be un-done, not with how the internet works.

Still, it should be important to differentiate between possession, distribution, and production in all of these cases. Any law that fails to tackle even this most fundamental concern is just plain broken, yet they get passed all the time on the emotional basis of "Think of the children!"

Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by DanBC on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @05:11PM (#7350317)
> For instance, is it illegal for police to hold images of child pornography as part of an investigation? Is it illegal for a child to have pornographic images of themselves?

> Still, it should be important to differentiate between possession, distribution, and production in all of these cases.

Luckily the relevant law does what you want and answers your questions. You'll want to read it with the sentencing guidelines too.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/contents

Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by doreo on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @10:35AM (#7340791)
There is a bill to ban the possession of adult rape pornography currently being introduced into law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Justice_and_Courts_Bi...)
Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by rainer89 on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @10:51AM (#7340914)
So if u are an anime fan you are so fuck in UK
Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by tomp on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @11:14AM (#7341091)
I think it would be fair to argue that Asians (girls especially) look much younger to Europeans than they actually are. In Vietnam, we had a guide that I judged to be 16-19 years old. and it turned out she was 23. So anime, even though they look like kids, do not represent depictions of children.
Re:UK official involved in national porn filter arrested for... by polymatter on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @11:50AM (#7341362)
Only if you convince a jury of that. Anime girls can also typically display very child-like behaviour (to a European eye). I'm thinking of things like princess dresses, overly excited about simple things, still into teddy bears etc. And you can't very well tell a fictional characters age, especially if it is in a fictional universe.

It only needs to be an anime in which characters might have sex or be doing something sexual explicit enough for a jury to decide they are "indecent". Also it doesn't need to be pictographic or 'on screen'. Fantasy stories are also covered. So its not like its safe to read manga or where the anime isn't explicitly a porn either. Plus, in case that wasn't draconian enough, possession is criminal, regardless of intent.

Plus these are huge stakes here. The mere accusation can be life destroying. Taking it to jury and winning would still significantly affect your personal and professional relationships. Its not something you really want to risk. Especially not if you want to ever have children or work anywhere near them. Its not something you can really gamble on convincing a jury and everyone who ever hears that you took this to a jury trial whether you thought the character in the anime was 16 or 23.

Plus I believe the same thing applies to rape fantasy as well. So if a 23 year old fictional anime character was raped in a completely fictional anime, that could land you prosecuted as well. For possession. In theory. Of course they will probably use their discretion not to prosecute you.

You might get away with it if the manga was in the original japanese. I doubt they bother enforcing this draconian law to the extent of employing translators.