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Re:Apple CarPlay by ekianjo on Monday March 03, 2014 @04:46AM (#7332865)
> I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet.

Haha. 1) Driving automatic cars is so boring. 2) it makes your body unbalanced constantly since you use a single foot, therefore your back will ache over long periods of driving. 3) You cannot adjust your speed as fast with an automatic car, we are stuck with binary controls while manual cars provide all the flexibility you need in real, and critical driving situations. All serious cars (like sports cars) are by far usually manual.

Re:Apple CarPlay by gambiting on Monday March 03, 2014 @07:39AM (#7333349)
I disagree with both points so much it hurts. Driving automatics is fun, especially if you are in a car with a massive and a powerful engine - the sensation of it dropping just to the right gear,and then holding up to just the right amount of RPMs is exciting, something that only pro drivers can achieve in cars with manual transmission.

As for the second point - in critical situations on the road, I would rather keep my eyes on the road and both hands firmly on the steering wheel - not manipulate gears and clutch.

And I also disagree with the notion that automatic cars don't give you control - with enough experience,you can force precisely the gear you want in an automatic by operating the throttle in a right way. They actually give you way more control - if I find myself at a need to suddenly accelerate, I just press the throttle all the way down and then the transmission just drops down two gears,or one, and does it in less than a second. I am pretty sure that 90% of drivers would not be able to do is as quickly/smoothly/efficiently in a manual, selecting the right gear, declutching and starting at the right rpm - automatic transmission does that for you.

I never had an automatic stall, they don't do jarring shifts between gears, and my left leg is not about to fall off from holding the clutch in a slowly moving traffic jam.

And "serious" cars like sport cars mostly come with an automatic transmission without the manual as an option. You know why Bugatti Veyron comes with an automatic? Because no human would be ever able to change gears as quickly as needed with that car.

And interestingly, the entire off-road market is moving towards automatics as well. You know why? Because you can't burn out a hydrokinetic clutch while starting uphill or in difficult conditions.

I've driven many many cars in my life, and while there are situations where I can see how the manual transmission is "enjoyable", automatics are just objectively better, with new ones offering lower fuel consumption, better acceleration, smoother gear changes and relative lack of maintenance in comparison to manual transmissions.

Re:Apple CarPlay by declan on Monday March 03, 2014 @02:24PM (#7335806)
All but one of the cars I've owned have had a manual transmission, and I bought a 2013 GTS with a stick (even though the PDK-equipped model is faster 0-60, and certainly more fuel efficient).

But I reluctantly disagree with you. Almost all serious sports cars -- hardly "boring" -- now come with automatic transmissions: * All Ferraris are now automatic * All McLarens are now automatic * Porsche's top street car, the 911 Turbo S, is PDK-only * Porsche's top track-ready car, the 911 GT3, is PDK-only * The fastest hypercars, the LaFerrari, the McLaren P1, and the Porsche 918, are all automatic (I recall all 7-speed dual clutch)

Even Lotus, the one company you'd expect to keep the manual faith, on lightness grounds if nothing else, made the Evora available a few years ago with an automatic transmission. And Porsche has been quoted as saying the manual transmission may no longer be available after the 991 is phased out: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/02/porsche-911-manua...

Unfortunately manual transmissions now make the car slower. A stick is becoming an enthusiast's conceit, C&D's campaign notwithstanding, and I hope they're still offered, but I'm now considering a dual clutch automatic for my next car.

Re:Apple CarPlay by _archon_ on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @11:38AM (#7341281)
It should be noted that there's a difference between the old-tech viscous coupling approach and the cutting edge dual-clutch sequential transmission.

The old-tech viscous coupling was lossy and difficult to control. Even when you can manually tell the trans to shift (as on a 2009 Mazda5), there is a time delay in the shifting, then you wait for the hydraulic system to confer torque and finally drive the wheels/engine brake.

The modern DCT that high-end cars are using is a direct mechanical connection and uses robotic shifting to do so instantaneously. Shifting is faster than a human can shift an H-gate, and the PID controls on gear selection have better programming etc. due to both the high end nature of the cars and the better systems they're being integrated into.

There is a world of difference between what we colloquially term an "automatic" (slushbox torque converter) and the modern DCT.

Re:Apple CarPlay by declan on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @11:57AM (#7341406)
Well said! And a good explanation. Though I'm not sure if the DCT can properly be termed "cutting edge" anymore; Porsche's PDK started appearing in 911s that went on sale six years ago (2009 model year, on sale in 2008).
Re:Apple CarPlay by apierre on Monday March 03, 2014 @05:10AM (#7332943)
Well driving with an automatic in London traffic jam is much more comfortable than not being able to shift beyond 2nd gear ;-)

I have a Golf with a 7 speed DSG gearbox and trust me, in sport mode, you can have amazing and smooth acceleration.

Re:Apple CarPlay by dipth on Monday March 03, 2014 @05:43AM (#7333032)
I can confirm that the 7 speed DSG gearbox in the Golf will get you up to speed at an amazing and smooth pace!
Re:Apple CarPlay by baddox on Monday March 03, 2014 @05:10AM (#7332944)
Regarding point 2, long freeway drives will still be just as unbalanced with either transmission, or if you have cruise control, more balanced.

Regarding point 3, is that really true to an extent that would actually matter for ordinary driving?

Re:Apple CarPlay by Blahah on Monday March 03, 2014 @07:22AM (#7333298)
In europe, we don't have long freeways. I can drive from one end of my country to the other in a day, and most people don't ever do such long drives.
Re:Apple CarPlay by robmcm on Monday March 03, 2014 @12:19PM (#7334934)
Tiptronic, best of both worlds.

(Apart from the back ache)