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Re:Ask HN: Where are the 750k Bitcoins lost by Mt. Gox? by loceng on Friday February 28, 2014 @10:30AM (#7319226)
This is the issue. It can become a never-ending wild-goose chase. The thieves can continue to move the funds around until they're no longer tracked, or far enough ahead that from the trackers (assuming there's any enforcement or penalties or laws relating to accepting stolen Bitcoin - which there aren't currently) or just spend them if they're not being tracked or if there's no enforcement in place.

The thieves will move funds around at little cost in order to try to gain the value from the Bitcoin they stole.

The problem with Bitcoin is that because there's no fee associated with them, there's no money or resources being made available or directed towards policing and following of these thieves.

Edit: And it's not particularly fair to use the rest of society's resources to do this policing, when they're not contributing to the system - they're avoiding contributing, to a partially corrupt and currently inefficient system, yes - but it'd be better to fix these inefficiencies and deal with the corruption.

Re:Ask HN: Where are the 750k Bitcoins lost by Mt. Gox? by kordless on Friday February 28, 2014 @11:12AM (#7319582)
Eventually all addresses will contain coin from all other addresses, if they are spent. It's the Kevin Bacon rating for currency.

In the short term, referencing Blockchain transaction over a given period of time, a destination address could be assigned a lower karma value for having a relationship with a bad actor address. The karma could be measured in amounts taken from other bad karma addresses.

While your wallet may contain trace amounts of bad karma money, it eventually gets diluted over time. Maybe we could utilize a days destroyed karma as well.

Re:Ask HN: Where are the 750k Bitcoins lost by Mt. Gox? by loceng on Friday February 28, 2014 @03:59PM (#7321460)
"Bad coin" diluted into legitimate users just means the people who were thieves got away with spending the money. That's bad.
Re:Ask HN: Where are the 750k Bitcoins lost by Mt. Gox? by TelmoMenezes on Friday February 28, 2014 @10:51AM (#7319383)
> The problem with Bitcoin is that because there's no fee associated with them, there's no money or resources being made available or directed towards policing and following of these thieves.

How do you know that? Given the amount that was stolen, I would be very surprised if some victims are not employing considerable resources to find the thieves. Also given the amount, many layers and private investigators are probably willing to do speculative work on commission. It would just be silly for them to advertise such efforts.

Re:Ask HN: Where are the 750k Bitcoins lost by Mt. Gox? by saraid216 on Friday February 28, 2014 @02:25PM (#7320884)
The relevant amount lost is the amount lost by the person who is hiring said lawyer/private investigator, not the overall amount.
Re:Ask HN: Where are the 750k Bitcoins lost by Mt. Gox? by maxerickson on Friday February 28, 2014 @11:02AM (#7319498)
Let's say there are 2 categories of addresses involved with these coins; addresses that have been sufficiently analyzed (so you don't care anymore about tracking them) and addresses that have not been sufficiently analyzed.

Following the second category is roughly instantaneous, it's all on the block chain. So in some ways, the chase gets easier over time.

Re:Ask HN: Where are the 750k Bitcoins lost by Mt. Gox? by loceng on Saturday March 01, 2014 @11:25AM (#7324785)
It would be helpful to know the costs of tracking these transactions, and how they may grow or be maintained over time.
Re:Ask HN: Where are the 750k Bitcoins lost by Mt. Gox? by d0ugie on Friday February 28, 2014 @10:53AM (#7319410)
Wouldn't, in this high profile clustereff, somehow tracking down those bitcoins cause bitcoin in general more harm than good? Would it not highlight that one way or another, either by fault of bitcoin or human error, that like Tor it is not bulletproof in terms of anonymity and susceptibility to being taken back from someone, whether that someone is a good or bad guy?
Re:Ask HN: Where are the 750k Bitcoins lost by Mt. Gox? by loceng on Friday February 28, 2014 @11:11AM (#7319578)
Taken back? Finding a person is one thing - you need a lot of resources to track a person down - then trying to find where they may have hidden the keys needed to use the Bitcoin is another. People who have stolen millions of real dollars are still able to just hide the cash or money in off-shore accounts. Similar problems exist, though it doesn't start off anonymously. It's not really good or bad, it just is. We need to manage for best case scenario, and structure systems to provide best case scenarios. Controlled or rather fully-manageable ecosystems are the best, though they have the ability to be badly managed and through political lobbying, etc. cause a whole series of problems in a society.
Re:Ask HN: Where are the 750k Bitcoins lost by Mt. Gox? by gizmo686 on Friday February 28, 2014 @05:17PM (#7321924)
To be clear, Bitcoin is not supposed to be anonymous. The centerpiece of its design is a publicly view-able log of every transaction ever made.