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Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by thinkcomp on Thursday February 27, 2014 @01:21PM (#7313879)
That's one million consumer accounts with no FDIC insurance, no surety bonds, and no other backstop in the event of a problem.

I'd love to see a Coinbase blog post about why Coinbase doesn't need to be licensed like every other MSB registered with FinCEN.

Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by natrius on Thursday February 27, 2014 @01:32PM (#7313962)
FDIC insurance is aimed at banks that make loans, which Coinbase does not.
Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by erikpukinskis on Thursday February 27, 2014 @05:30PM (#7315704)
This is the correct answer. FDIC insurance is needed because when you give your money to a bank, they turn around and lend it out to other people, so when you want to withdraw they may not be able to collect enough to pay you out.

I suspect when you deposit 10 BTC in Coinbase, they actually just hold it for you. Honestly, given how volatile Bitcoin is, and the general upward trend, it would basically be insane for them to try to invest it in any other assets.

Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by wmf on Thursday February 27, 2014 @05:54PM (#7315843)
Maybe FDIC insurance specifically doesn't make sense for Bitcoin, but it can still be lost or stolen in a full-reserve model and thus should be insured.
Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by lmg643 on Thursday February 27, 2014 @01:32PM (#7313957)
I've often wondered the same. Section 1.1 of their user agreement:

"1.1 Coinbase helps you make payments to and accept payments from third parties. Coinbase also provides a bitcoin wallet service where you can store your bitcoin. Coinbase also allows users to buy and sell bitcoin. Coinbase is an independent contractor for all purposes. Coinbase does not have control of, or liability for, the products or services that are paid for with Coinbase services. We do not guarantee the identity of any user or other party or ensure that a buyer will complete a transaction. Coinbase is not a money transmitter. Coinbase assists its users in Bitcoin transactions."

https://coinbase.com/legal/user_agreement

You hook up a bank account, "transmit" funds from a bank, receive virtual currency (and in reverse) but they are an independent contractor, assisting with the process. Very interesting approach.

A simple person might say the service very much looks like a money transmission, money exchanging business. The fees for acting as a money transmitter without licenses is supposedly up to $1k/incident.

Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by thinkcomp on Thursday February 27, 2014 @01:34PM (#7313979)
"Coinbase is not a money transmitter" is a demonstrably false statement in violation of the Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. ยง 1125(a)(1)(A). You can find Coinbase's registration with FinCEN as a Money Services Business at:

http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/msbstatesel...

Just search for Coinbase. They provided the address of their statutory agent in Delaware even though they're in San Francisco.

Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by BlackDeath3 on Thursday February 27, 2014 @01:33PM (#7313969)
That's a million wallets that can instantly, pseudonymously send money to some random dude halfway around the world.
Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by lectrick on Thursday February 27, 2014 @02:36PM (#7314421)
There's nothing stopping someone from insuring Bitcoins.

http://www.businessinsider.com/as-bitcoin-grows-in-popularit...

I have personally never understood the criticisms of new things of the form "<new thing> doesn't provide the service that we've had for years with <old thing>!" IT'S NEW AND DIFFERENT, GIVE IT A CHANCE.

Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by baddox on Thursday February 27, 2014 @02:01PM (#7314167)
> That's one million consumer accounts with no FDIC insurance, no surety bonds, and no other backstop in the event of a problem.

All of which were created voluntarily by customers, which indicates that there is demand in the market for different types of asset/currency, some of which might not have FDIC insurance or any of those things.

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Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by thinkcomp on Thursday February 27, 2014 @01:25PM (#7313915)
Financial accounts. One person can have many bank accounts. I would guess they're using the word "wallet" to avoid regulatory scrutiny that might be applied to financial accounts. People might feel like "wallets" can get lost or stolen. "Accounts" shouldn't.

These are accounts.

Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by JoshTriplett on Thursday February 27, 2014 @01:32PM (#7313959)
> People might feel like "wallets" can get lost or stolen. "Accounts" shouldn't.

That's exactly why the term "wallet" should be used. This is cash, and should be treated accordingly and thought of accordingly. Terms like "wallet" help people develop a reasonable mental model that fits reality.

Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by dragonwriter on Thursday February 27, 2014 @02:43PM (#7314470)
> That's exactly why the term "wallet" should be used. This is cash, and should be treated accordingly and thought of accordingly.

Cash held by someone else on your behalf is an account (even if it is physically stored in their wallet).

So, sure, bitcoins are in a sense analogous to physical cash, and bitcoin wallets are in a sense analogous to physical wallets full of cash -- but some third party business who keeps bitcoins in their own wallets and contracts with you to transmit them according to your instruction is providing you with an account, not a wallet.

Re:A Major Coinbase Milestone: 1 Million Consumer Wallets by mulligan on Thursday February 27, 2014 @01:23PM (#7313895)
yeah, but just think of how much they save on transaction costs when they buy something online [without the ability to chargeback]!