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Re:The Engineer Crunch by nqureshi on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @01:40PM (#7260054)
"I'm honestly starting to believe that it isn't hard to hire"

If this were true, then engineer salaries would not be rising so much. The demand for good engineers vastly outstrips supply.

Also, any explanation that requires you to posit mass irrationality is usually a bad one.

Re:The Engineer Crunch by tptacek on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @02:08PM (#7260279)
That's true but a sloppy way to say it. A more precise way to characterize his argument is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Then: is it an extraordinary claim to suggest that the hiring processes used by most tech companies are doing a bad job of selecting candidates? Are engineers hired through these processes but then fired within the first 6-9 months a rarity? Is turnover generally low? Is hiring so risky that companies working in the middle of a "talent crunch" are demanding that candidates take temporary contracting roles so they can evaluate performance? Is the typical startup engineering team staffed by engineers uniformly capable of production? Are tech company hiring practices carefully designed and executed, or is it more the norm that they're delivered by whatever engineers happen to be available for candidates when they show up? If the latter is the case, isn't it instead an extraordinary claim to suggest that these processes could work at all, given that they're essentially stochastic?

Re:The Engineer Crunch by abc_lisper on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @03:19PM (#7260762)
> Is hiring so risky that companies working in the middle of a "talent crunch" are demanding that candidates take temporary contracting roles so they can evaluate performance

Heh. Somebody had to say this. I don't know what the difficulty is all about. In the SV I have been more to more than 1 interview where I solved all the questions(in a day long interview) and didn't get the job.

Not sure what the high bar is all about.

Re:The Engineer Crunch by djb_hackernews on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @02:02PM (#7260232)
Do you have any data to back up the engineering salaries rising "so much"?

From where I am standing engineering salaries have stagnated for the last 5 years, possibly even 10.

Re:The Engineer Crunch by j_baker on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @02:13PM (#7260327)
Re:The Engineer Crunch by russell_h on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @03:51PM (#7260953)
My observation has been that while average compensation isn't trending upward that much, variance is increasing a lot. I've seen market research which bears this out. Especially among top candidates straight out of school, salaries have gone up a lot in the last few years.
Re:The Engineer Crunch by gaius on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @02:11PM (#7260307)
Allowing for inflation, since the dotcom bust.
Re:The Engineer Crunch by okaram on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @03:41PM (#7260890)
Are salaries actually rising so much ? From survey below, they've risen 2.3% last year, 2.1% the year before ... my memory of other surveys is similar ... doesn't even seem to be rising faster in SV ...

(http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9237985/IT_gets_its_g...)

Re:The Engineer Crunch by brown9-2 on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @02:25PM (#7260429)
This is supposing that the all of the excess demand for good engineers is coming from companies that have gotten good at hiring and have moved passed these "we only hire the 0.1%" mentalities.

In a lot of places there might be extra, hard-to-satisfy demand because their processes for sifting through the supply of developers is poor or not working.

Re:The Engineer Crunch by a8da6b0c91d on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @01:44PM (#7260082)
Mass irrationality happens all the time.