By The Time You Give Them a Raise, They’re Already Out The Door

Re:By The Time You Give Them a Raise, They’re Already Out Th... by chris_mahan on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @01:07AM (#7256650)

At a previous employer, I did some work, over a three year period. (Custom reporting system, nationwide, 10,000 people fortune 500. The system was used by hundreds of managers and above, and professional workers (think 7 years of college or more). Shortly before we were laid off (the IT dept was outsourced to Cognizant), there was a bid for re-writing the system. Cognizant came back with a quote for $20,000,000. Yes, that's 20 million dollars. That was in late 2008. As of last year, a director there told me they are still using my system, 4 years after I left, and zero maintenance had been required.

I made 65,000 per year for four years. What do you think I should have made, money-wise?

At my current gig, same thing. Billions of dollars at stake, and I single-handedly design, build, deploy (one-click -- the power of scripting) and maintain systems used by over 1000 people, from executives to line workers. What is my true worth to the org? Do you think they would pay be $900,000 a year? Even at that rate, they would still make money off my work.

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Re:By The Time You Give Them a Raise, They’re Already Out Th... by jbredizzle on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @01:59AM (#7256785)

I can't tell you what you should have made but unlike a lot of the people who are constantly whining about how they are underpaid because they have a friend at Google making $150,000/year, you actually did the math and can argue for your value. :-)

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Re:By The Time You Give Them a Raise, They’re Already Out Th... by marvin on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @05:33AM (#7257388)

You need to save up enough money that you can live for a year without an income, quit your job and start consulting. At least if money is important to you.

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Re:By The Time You Give Them a Raise, They’re Already Out Th... by whatevsbro on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @05:20AM (#7257346)

I see where you're coming from. In a way, you have a point, and in another, you don't :) You've provided massive value to the business, but on the other hand, other people made your job possible probably by working pretty damn hard.

Start your own business and keep all the profits you earn.

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Re:By The Time You Give Them a Raise, They’re Already Out Th... by chris_mahan on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:22PM (#7259449)

You're right: other people made my work possible. They put computers on my desk, paid for (nice) offices, paid the power, air conditioning, water bills, stocked the coffee room, emptied the trash, etc. They also insured the software was licensed, the laser printers were fast, stocked, and maintained. They paid the networking bills, etc. All these things I would have to do myself if I ran my own business, and I could not possibly do them as well and as cost-effectively as people who specialize in that work.

This leads to why small businesses are hard: the owner has to do everything themselves, and at many things, they are bad.

At my current company, I give the car to the free valet in the garage, grab a cup of tea, walk to my desk and sit down and work, without worrying about all the infrastructure stuff.

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Re:By The Time You Give Them a Raise, They’re Already Out Th... by whatevsbro on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:53PM (#7259664)

> They put computers on my desk, paid for (nice) offices, paid the power, air conditioning

True, but more importantly, before all of that, they made something people want to pay for and acquired enough customers to pay for that shit, and for lots of salaries too.

That's a good accomplishment, unless they're part of some government-supported cartel etc. There are plenty of those too.

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