The Ocean is Broken (2013)

Re:The Ocean is Broken (2013) by dredmorbius on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @05:16PM (#7187235)

Limited regions, mostly in advanced countries, where both environmental controls and offshoring of highly polluting activities has taken place, are cleaner.

Many aren't.

Within the US you have hog farms in the Carolinas, CAFOs in Kansas, the Mississippi river basin, Gulf of Mexico, and the great rivers of the developing world: the Nile, Amazon, Ganges, Yellow, Yangtze, and Indus, are in much worse shape.

Licensing programs have succeeded in increasing fish harvests

They're not doing a whole lot for fish stocks however. And that's the rather bigger problem.

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Re:The Ocean is Broken (2013) by maxerickson on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @05:34PM (#7187345)

No, I'm talking about fisheries management practices that do increase stocks. Overfishing is being reduced and harvests are increasing:

http://www.oceanconservancy.org/our-work/fisheries/

The very likely explanation is stocks are increasing in response to the better management.

I agree that it will be difficult to get people in the U.S. to push China to take a more expensive approach to industry. I think calling it 'offshoring' is awfully simplistic (U.S. is agricultural exporter and for energy only imports oil).

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Re:The Ocean is Broken (2013) by dredmorbius on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @09:01PM (#7188265)

I'd still argue that the results of such programs have been distinctly limited. Fair point and links appreciated, however.

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