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Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by meowface on Monday January 27, 2014 @01:11AM (#7129066)
Agreed. This spec reads more like a brand new and complex transport protocol than an application one.

Is it HTTP 2.0's plan to completely replace "middleware" like SPDY with a full featured protocol?

Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by thristian on Monday January 27, 2014 @08:06AM (#7130086)
HTTP 2.0 started with the SPDY spec and has been smoothed and refined during the IETF process, so yeah, it is planned to completely replace SPDY.
Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by mcguire on Monday January 27, 2014 @03:26PM (#7132964)
"Smoothed and refined" by the IETF?
Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by alanh on Monday January 27, 2014 @07:05PM (#7134300)
What are you seeking to clarify? Hard to tell if you are inquiring as to how that happened, quibbling with the word choices, or disagreeing completely.
Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by techdragon on Monday January 27, 2014 @11:39PM (#7135352)
Looks to me that it was an expression of 'quizzical sarcasm' in the form of a question.
Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by mcguire on Thursday January 30, 2014 @03:38PM (#7153211)
I should probably have explained further, but there is a certain amount of irony in that statement.

See [email protected] for more details: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/maillist.h...

Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by rakoo on Monday January 27, 2014 @01:32PM (#7132120)
The actual current of things is that HTTP 2.0 is what we want in the end, and SPDY is a toy to see what could be cool to add. When something that was tested with SPDY looks right, it is moved to the HTTP2 spec. I think the long-term goal is to deprecate SPDY in favor of HTTP2.

This way of development is very interesting because it enables not only to change rapidly, but also to try completely new things on a different "namespace" (ie without polluting the whole HTTP stacke already deployed)

Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by rrmm on Monday January 27, 2014 @07:11AM (#7129922)
The complexity is not horrible as far as communications protocols go.

Anyone know what working implementations exist currently?

Ideally, it'd be nice to see actual real world data showing the benefits over http 1.1.

Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by stephen_g on Monday January 27, 2014 @09:12AM (#7130330)
There's a C++ implementation here, but I'm not sure how complete it is: https://github.com/http2d/core

I think nginx and Chrome support SPDY which HTTP 2.0 was based on, so that performance should be able to be tested and be fairly representative of what we can expect.

Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by jimktrains2 on Monday January 27, 2014 @11:13AM (#7131062)
But that's the thing...it's _not_ a communication's protocol. It's a transfer protocol...
Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by ll_cool_james on Tuesday January 28, 2014 @01:44AM (#7135724)
To-may-to, to-mah-to..
Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by jimktrains2 on Tuesday January 28, 2014 @12:47PM (#7138487)
No, because a communication protocol has to handle all the types of problems HTTP and TCP solve. A transfer protocol is concerned with moving data and meta data, not the problems TCP solves.
Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by wmf on Monday January 27, 2014 @02:35PM (#7132581)
Re:HTTP 2.0: GTFO (General Termination of Future Operations) by blueskin_ on Monday January 27, 2014 @04:42AM (#7129553)
Yes, and about time too.