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Re:Linode hacked again? by ary on Sunday January 19, 2014 @02:12PM (#7085522)
So I switched to Digital Ocean after the last Linode security fiasco and I can't say I regret it.

Should you decide to switch to another VPS provider I strongly recommend you cite the security problems when they ask you why you're closing your account. The only reliable way to get the security message across to technical managers and business people alike is to make it about money. That said the fact that this has happened, in this way, again to Linode is a very bad sign.

Having been in meetings, advocated for taking security seriously, and heard the rationalizations for a lax approach I can only say that as a customer if your desire for security isn't made crystal clear you have no hope of getting it. It has to be a deal breaker or not only will companies like Linode not learn, but their competitors who stand to gain from their loss won't either.

Re:Linode hacked again? by anaphor on Sunday January 19, 2014 @02:41PM (#7085642)
Stop acting so dramatic. There's no evidence that there was any security breach. People on IRC are saying this is FUD.

<gallaeaho> zectorpt: no

<gallaeaho> zectorpt: nothing was "hacked", but old stuff got posted

<gallaeaho> again

Re:Linode hacked again? by infosecslave on Sunday January 19, 2014 @02:50PM (#7085684)
Which is blatantly false, if it was "old stuff being posted again" then the mysql credentials wouldn't have been working 60 minutes ago.
Re:Linode hacked again? by anaphor on Sunday January 19, 2014 @02:58PM (#7085717)
It seems like the data in this is identical to the stuff that was leaked last time. My guess is that someone was able to gain (user level) access to one of the servers hosting the forums, and the best they were able to do is leak an old database that was around from the last breach. It smells like skiddies trying to stir up drama to me. The names of the people posting this crap on IRC are "SABU", "<ryan____", "robertlevin", and "illegal". Yeah they're fucking troll idiots.
Re:Linode hacked again? by ctb_mg on Sunday January 19, 2014 @03:05PM (#7085740)
Are you a shill? Serious question.
Re:Linode hacked again? by jsmthrowaway on Sunday January 19, 2014 @03:21PM (#7085820)
You need only read all of the comments made by that account to get the answer to that. I actually have a pretty good idea of who it is, and we will wait to see if I'm proven right.
Re:Linode hacked again? by phkn1 on Sunday January 19, 2014 @03:03PM (#7085735)
Likewise, though my specific concerns were around a suspiciously large volume of inbound traffic that appeared to be maliciously probing for open services, and in particular a lack of any sort of upstream mitigation (to paraphrase their response, "can't help you, try Cloudflare".

Of course, Digital Ocean has had its own problems lately with not properly scrubbing decommissioned VPS containers... so to some degree, data security is not a Linode specific problem. And for that matter it is not just because someone is recycling passwords (bad), but because it is by nature one of the most fundamental and pervasive security challenges with any VPS hosting. Your AWS node might be perfectly secure, but it might be sharing a physical rack with a Russian botnet and you'd have no way to know.

Bottom line, if you are using a shared environment there is always some risk of having bad neighbors, experiencing disruption at the supervisory layer or of your data bleeding over into an untrusted location. Your application security design should be planned accordingly, and the choice of VPS host is only one part of that equation.

Re:Linode hacked again? by sukaka on Sunday January 19, 2014 @02:16PM (#7085538)
Apparently the password has been reused. Search of password cfr41qa turned up results from almost a year ago https://www.google.com/search?q=cfr41qa
Re:Linode hacked again? by notastartup on Sunday January 19, 2014 @02:39PM (#7085633)
the security hack was always on back of my mind.

what really made me move away from linode is really their inability to accept paypal.

Luckily, digitalocean accepted paypal. Also their $5 servers cannot be beat.

Sure, linode has some good panels but it was more than I can chew and more than I needed. Digitalocean also had a good amount of docmentation to do everything I needed without filing a ticket.

Re:Linode hacked again? by cthor on Sunday January 19, 2014 @02:49PM (#7085680)
A lot of merchants (e.g. Amazon) don't use PayPal because is isn't a real bank, and so isn't beholden by laws associated with banks. The terms of service state that you cannot seek any legal recourse from them should your account be shut down.

How could this affect a VPS provider? Say a customer hosts a porn site, or a gun-selling site, or something else PayPal disagrees with. PayPal shuts the merchant's account down for it. Now the merchant's funds are frozen for an indeterminate amount of time till the issue can be resolved, if at all, and there's nothing they can do about it short of appealing to PayPal.

Re:Linode hacked again? by raverbashing on Sunday January 19, 2014 @03:05PM (#7085741)
Exactly

I am very sympathetic to anyone not wanting to use paypal for these reasons.

It is too big a risk, especially for something like a VPS provider that needs the recurring payments.

Re:Linode hacked again? by notastartup on Sunday January 19, 2014 @02:57PM (#7085711)
yeah but when I couldn't use my credit card anymore paypal was the only option.
Re:Linode hacked again? by taf2 on Sunday January 19, 2014 @02:45PM (#7085663)
curious, what do use the $5 servers for?
Re:Linode hacked again? by notastartup on Sunday January 19, 2014 @02:57PM (#7085715)
the same way I used linode for but at 4 times the less cost.