Re:In London 'Guardians' live in empty office buildings
by madaxe_again on Thursday January 16, 2014 @10:00AM
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I've squatted. We started our business in one. Commercial property (Grade 1 listed commercial property...), unused for decades, full of leaks, no services, infested with vermin... so we got a DSL line slung over the roof from a friendly neighbour, threw down some sleeping mats and skip-diving desks and chairs, and got started.
We moved out and rented premises and homes as soon as we could, which was after about two years. Nobody noticed we were there (no visibility from any other properties or the street, even though it's bang in the centre of a city), and we left it with no leaks, clean windows, the floor restored, everything repainted and cleaned, and the rats and gulls cleared out.
About six months after we left, they bricked up the one and only entrance, and it's once more sitting there, quietly rotting.
Re:In London 'Guardians' live in empty office buildings
by JoeAltmaier on Thursday January 16, 2014 @09:21AM
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Sounds like selection bias. Or are they actually not there. If you travel in artistic circles, then yes you'd meet quite a few artist-squatters. But that doesn't mean the other kind aren't there.
Do you actually go up to and introduce yourself to the scumbags? If not, then I call hyperbole.
Re:In London 'Guardians' live in empty office buildings
by runarberg on Thursday January 16, 2014 @09:31AM
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Note that most talk about marginal groups are based on selection bias. In the case of a squatter, the selection bias is usually towards the graffitying, punk who steals, dopes and vandalizes. The comment above was just presenting an anectode against the prevaling prejudice (which in turn are based on other anectodes).
Musicians, artists, digital media designers, programmers and TV-types - someone who is now a producer at the BBC doing wonderful things - actors, writers, some of the more politically-involved people I've met - a fairly broad swathe of not-entirely-negative character types.
Sure, some of these character types might personally irritate me from time to time, but Goddamn if this city wouldn't be culturally poorer without them...
Whereas - the boors and hooligans, the litterers and asocial egoist vandals I've met in my time are typically what you'd presumably consider 'normal' people - generally middle class, some from the lower tracts, some from the higher - mostly employed, mostly bemonied and self-satisifed. There's a higher catchment of people in this demographic who appear to feel little social compunction, little value in the world they find themselves in, little incentive to invest in others or in society.
Squatters at the very least appear to have considered their place in society and what society means to them and those around them - not something I'd say for the vast lump of the placated population.
imho, naturally.