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Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by brownbat on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @10:38PM (#7021522)
It took fierce competition to even get broadband companies to advertise what they are offering. I had to deal with a very small local monopoly in Western Maryland that just advertised "faster than dial up," had typical pings of over 200. It was thick on the local board, had a deal with local government as the sole authorized supplier in the county.

Now I'm in a different part of the country, can get FiOS, but while Verizon's service always delivers over 50 Mbps on speedtest sites, it often chokes on Youtube or Netflix. When that happens, there's no simple way to determine if it's the provider or some random provisioner in the middle. This is the future of getting screwed by telecoms: worthless metrics and plausible deniability for service degradation.

I happened to get a deal by calling all the providers in the area, then playing their offers off of each other. I recommend everyone does this every few months. But the fact that was so easy doesn't really make me feel very comfortable. If they can haggle, it just signals how much rent they're charging from all the unwary customers.

Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by simoncion on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @02:39AM (#7022270)
> Now I'm in a different part of the country, can get FiOS, but while Verizon's service always delivers over 50 Mbps on speedtest sites, it often chokes on Youtube or Netflix. When that happens, there's no simple way to determine if it's the provider or some random provisioner in the middle.

If you have shell access to a Linux machine in a College of Engineering attached to some university somewhere [0], try this:

1) Use youtube-dl to get the actual URL of the video that Youtube is sending to your machine that's slow as balls. [1]

2a) Wget that url on your home machine.

2b) Wget that url on the machine attached to that university.

3) Notice the discrepancy between download speeds of those two machines. In particular, notice if your home download starts at full speed, but is throttled to super slow speeds after a couple minutes of video have been downloaded.

4) Run a traceroute (I love using mtr for this) to ensure that the route to Youtube from your home machine goes directly from your ISP's network to Google's network. If this is the case, then there's noone to blame for poor performance other than your ISP and Youtube.

Comcast used to severely throttle Youtube videos downloaded on my connection here in SF. Using the method outlined above, I discovered that:

* I had a direct path from Comcast to Youtube at both my house and at the university.

* At my house, the first minute or two of the video file was fetched at full link speed (~6MB/s), the remainder of the video (even when downloading a 1080p MP4) was fetched at ~100KB/s.

* The very same file when downloaded at a university across the country was fetched at full link speed (14MB/s) and never slowed down.

[0] To lessen the chance that the campus network admins will be artificially throttling your connection, natch.

[1] You will notice that this URL is super-long and appears to encode all sorts of fun stuff in the domain name. This (along with a traceroute) leads me to believe that accessing this URL at another physical location won't give you a file from another CDN that's closer to that other physical location.

Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by arbitrage on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @10:21AM (#7023976)
So ... where you ever able to get comcast to actually fix the problem?
Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by simoncion on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @06:09PM (#7027541)
I never did bring it to the attention of anyone who could have done anything. :/ It was fixed a year after it started happening and a couple of months after I performed that diagnostic work.
Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by sim0nk on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @10:35AM (#7024074)
hahahahahaha
Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by gcb0 on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @10:47PM (#7021555)
lol at calling all the providers. the free market fails if left alone, under shady regulations it is almost a joke.

i found a aDSL number for ATT that was not advertised (and you reached a person on the first minute!) that was the result of some obscure regulation that they had to provide dsl without charging for a phone line if so i wanted. it was a very good service. as i was next door to their trunk.

i moved, less than 20miles, but another city. called att to transfer service, the rep read something and the burst out a sad "ah, sorry, this is verizon territory".

and that is exactly what i get here. verizon. nothing else. the 2nd or 3rd biggest city in los angeles, and i can choose, verizon.

Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by hippiehippo on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @03:29AM (#7022396)
Eastern Europe, especially Bulgaria and Romania, would beg to differ about the "free market fails if left alone". Between 2000 and 2010 it was basically a free-for-all for ISPs and each city had almost dozens of them running wires on poles, on apartment building facades, on... trees.

And today you can get a 1 Gbps connection (in reality it works at 900 mbps in Europe and at around 300 mbps across the Atlantic) for less than $20 per month.

How could you call the banning of new infrastructure (through an insane ammount of regulation) by local authorities in the USA as Free Market?

Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by ash on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @04:25AM (#7022532)
Something like this happened in Russian cities too. Broadband is cheap, fast, lot's of competition, cables hanging between apartment buildings etc.

Recently there have been some troubling signs when (government) monopolies started to buy smaller private ISPs. Internet is still cheap and fast, but who knows what will happen…

Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by anon4 on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @12:06PM (#7024743)
>had

Bulgaria here. We still have them - smaller ISPs who don't run proper cabling, it's just the major ones don't run their cables through trees any longer. And I want to note - even when they did ran them through trees and a storm would cut the cables or fry the routers, replacements would be put up within an hour. The only downside to me, as a consumer, is that during a storm, a lightning bolt might hit a cable and fry my pc, but that's a very very low probability and I just run the cable through a surge protector.

Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by mindslight on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @11:05PM (#7021611)
Sonic.net provides their "Fusion DSL" service in LA through resellers. It's worth to check if you are in the service area at http://www.dslextreme.com/ . I ended up signing up through another company, Omsoft, because they were very down to earth.

Yeah, the advertised throughput is a bit slower being ADSL2+, especially on the upload (although you can bond two channels for a simple twice the cost. and if you really need upload, inquire to see if they've got "Annex M" support yet). But it's fast enough, very predictable, and you won't be giving your money to assholes.

Also FWIW, Speakeasy is also still around, they've just renamed to Megapath and raised their rates a bit.

Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by mattlutze on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @06:22AM (#7022867)
+1 to the other comments here -- it's the enforced monopolies through local government/provider agreements that has failed in this case, as with other systems often considered failures of the free market.

There is nothing about what you described that was ever free market. Were Verizon not have been granted what I'm sure was exclusive rights for laying cable in your town, there'd be many providers vying for your business.

Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by mixwhit on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @12:06AM (#7021808)
I live literally across the street from the Univ of Illinois, in a fairly big college town (150k), and Comcast is my only option. No competition at all. ATT used to provide DSL here, but they weren't interested in upgrading so they just let it become obsolete.
Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by Istof on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @11:30PM (#7021697)
I pay $15/month for 3Mbps download but I have to switch company every year to keep this rate (ATT->Comcast->ATT->Comcast->etc...). This special price if often fairly difficult to find on their website. Also, I can play Youtube 720p.
Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by adventured on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @02:26AM (#7022237)
Garrett or Allegany?
Re:The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen... by brownbat on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @12:37PM (#7024975)