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Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by Argorak on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @07:23AM (#7016886)
Thats interesting. As a liberalish European, I think DigitalOcean shouldn't be allowed to police their content, just as ISPs shouldn't be allowed to block websites at their whim. Thats clearly in the realm of courts and lawyers. DigitalOcean can cancel the contract once others found the blog post to be defamatory.
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by lvh on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @07:25AM (#7016892)
Perhaps the two of you are only disagreeing on what "liberal" means; it tends to mean something quite different in Europe than in the US :)
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by Shish2k on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @08:07AM (#7017052)
Looking in the dictionary, I see liberal as "willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own", which is what I (as a European) had always thought -- what does it mean in America?
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by tommorris on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @08:42AM (#7017208)
Politically left-wing.

Increasingly these days, it seems to be a term for anyone who doesn't give credence to the theory that global warming is a hoax made up by Satan so Barack Obama can marry his secret Kenyan gay lover.

Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by danmaz74 on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @08:42AM (#7017207)
It means "leftist" AFAIK
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by MaxGabriel on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @07:51AM (#7016973)
They said they're both European
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by hartator on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @07:57AM (#7016998)
I guess both are liberal in the US sense of term but are not agreeing about if they have to mandatory delete the contents or to mandatory do the reverse. :)
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by lvh on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @03:40PM (#7019740)
Sure, but Europeans are quite capable of using a term differently if they believe that's what their audience expects; and most people on HN are probably still USA-ian ;-)
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by Argorak on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @07:28AM (#7016896)
Thats precisely the point ;).
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by 7952 on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @08:12AM (#7017077)
"Shouldn't be allowed" is a bit strong. It is not unreasonable to remove questionable content when you are made aware of it; if only to protect the business from threat of legal action. It becomes policing when a website has to actively check up on its customers which places an unfair burden.
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by chillingeffect on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @10:32AM (#7017791)
Exactly. If the post is "socially negative," then that interaction is between the two people having the interaction. They have to work it out between themselves and let other people make up their own minds based on what they see. If the playground/commons/social theatre gets terminated every time two people disagree, then we'll never be able to work out anything worthwhile, justice will be harmed.

Harassment is pressure and intimidation. Travis Collins is a prevaricator for fabricating the story that the author was following him online and harassing him. DO doesn't have the resources, wisdom or dissociated self-interest to be able to properly police things and will botch themselves up seriously if they try. They should learn from history instead of retreating into Cover Your Ass mode.

Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by jacques_chester on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @09:23AM (#7017395)
> DigitalOcean can cancel the contract once others found the blog post to be defamatory.

Well ... that's what's happening. It's not "policing content", it's holding up their side of the contract.

Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by gizzlon on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @10:24AM (#7017747)
and their contract, it seems like, says that they can police content.

It's still policing content. As a customer I didn't expect that they would for anything short of illegal.

Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by jacques_chester on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @07:18PM (#7020940)
Their interests are not the same as yours. That particular clause allows them to require the removal of content that places them at legal risk.

"Policing" incorrectly applies that they are actively trawling the site and telling people what to write about. That is clearly not true.

Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by nknighthb on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @11:34AM (#7018146)
I see this sort of non-argument on HN a lot. Why do you believe that just because someone has the right to do something, that changes its nature? I have the right in the US to walk down the street shouting racist slogans. If I did so, should I be immune from criticism because it's within my rights? Is one magically not-racist just because the law says racist behavior is legal?
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by lvh on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @03:44PM (#7019759)
No-one's saying you should be immune from criticism, surely? FWIW: yes, you should totally be able to say whatever you want, even if it's bigoted, flat-out wrong, outdated, whatever; as long as I'm free to say that it's dumb and bigoted, flat-out wrong, outdated, whatever ;)
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by jacques_chester on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @07:14PM (#7020920)
I think you're perfectly within your rights to criticise Digital Ocean. And I am perfectly within my rights to argue about the nature of Digital Ocean's actions.
Re:Digital Ocean said it would shut down my blog if I didn’t... by Argorak on Tuesday January 07, 2014 @01:05PM (#7018714)
The others, to clarify, in that case being: a court.